History 102: Which people form part of a well-regulated militia?

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  1. Turtledude

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    so what was the point of the second-to give congress the power to arm a federal body? LOL
     
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    broken hearted he must be!!
     
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    And the Militia was all men in the country age 18 and over.

    In the earliest days, all men were expected to own a firearm. And to show up at regular meetings and training to show their weapon was functional and that they knew how to use it.

    So are you saying we should return to that era? Where several times a year we all have to show up in a city park to prove our rifles work and that we know how to shoot? And to elect our Officers to command us in the event we are called up to service?
     
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    No, your assertion that congress controls a milita is patently false.

    There are exactly eighteen powers of The People that The People have delegated to congress. These are found in article One section Eight of our constitution. Regulating the militia is not one of these powers.

    Please keep in mind that I am reading from the Constitution which lists only all powers of government and some restrictions on government. So you had better well read the damn thing.
     
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    So having done your linguistic research you know what the term "well regulated" means in the context of the constitution.
     
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    You're commenting on a thread and you haven't even read the OP? Don't bother me until you do. Not interested...
     
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    No!!!!! Read the OP! Are you even paying attention?
     
  8. Golem

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    Ok. I'm not wasting time with posters who deny reality they have right in front of them. I gave you Section, article and the clauses. The rest is up to you. Leave me out of it.
     
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    Bingo!

    Research doesn't bite. You might want to try it one day.
     
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    So you know what the term "well regulated means" in the context of the Constitutin. Please share with us.
     
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    Read my sig! If you have a point to make, you make it and you do your own research relevant to whatever point you're trying to make. Don't expect me to do your research for you.
     
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    I have read and torn that stupid rant of yours apart multiple times.

    You are the one that absolutely refuses to recognize anything but your delusional fantasy.
     
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    My point is that you have no idea what "well regulated" means in the context of the constitution.
     
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    ... AND, since you don't have the arguments to demonstrate that, you want ME to do your research for you. So you dug yourself into an argumentative hole and now you want me to get you out. Sorry... not interested.
     
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    I don't want you to do any research. Well, maybe for your own edification. I'm saying that you keep quoting the language and putting "well regulated" in quotes, but you don't have any idea what well regulated actually means.

    I just find it funny that you make a whole thread about "well regulated militia" and you don't even know what "well regulated" means, in the context of the constitution.
     
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    Green Man's got his hand raised.

    I know what well regulated means in the context of both the second Amendment and article One section eight. It means the government should provide the militia with modern weaponry.

    Here in America it is We The People who get to decide what arms government may possess, not the other way around.
     
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    Then you're in luck, because I won't. If you have a point to make that is relevant to this discussion, make it. The purpose of the thread you are participating in is mostly to dispel the bogus idea that "every able-bodied male" was automatically member of the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the Constitution. And you have contributed NOTHING to that topic. So I don't think there is a need to waste any more time with you.

    BTW, the DEFINITION I am using of "well regulated militia" is clearly stated in the OP. It's not mine. It's taken from the historian documents I referenced. So clearly you haven't even READ the OP. That's where you're supposed to start.
     
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    You still don't know what "well regulated" means in the context of the constitution.
     
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    Oh it's funny watching your claims of not wanting to be bothered as your argument looks like a chicken sucked into a wood chipper
     
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    It be like if somebody got all excited when they learned that duck tape can be used for not only taping ducks together but that it can also be used to seal duct work, then proceeded to tell the HVAC guy how to seal ducts.
     
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    In Heller v US the Supreme Court held that the "militia" wording in the Second Amendment in no way limited the right of citizens to own and bear arms.
     
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    They're going to try every end run around the constitution they can think of to disarm us, recently by using presidential executive orders. They're not going to give up.
     
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    their ultimate schemes require a disarmed population
     
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    Well yeah.

    The reason they want your gun is becuase they want to do something that might give cause to shoot them.
     
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    or some of their constituents-violent criminals, ANTIFA anarchist rioters, etc
     
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