Hmmm....a teacher shortage crisis

Neither of which are staffed by public school employees. Are you saying these organizations not affiliated with or funded by districts that can’t find teachers are losing their employees over CRT as well? Wild.

 

You specifically said the problem is right wing. LOL

Apparently the unions are failing if teachers are quitting because of criticism. We don’t want such weak characters involved in teaching kids anyway.

The cost of living shouldn’t matter. If unions did their “job” CA teachers would have plenty of money. The state supposedly has surplus funds and teachers there are over 90% Union.

 

Regarding your link: note that employees' associations aren't unions.

California chooses not to pay them. Some districts have more money:

Palos Verdes Peninsula Unified School District

The cost-of-living makes it extremely difficult for schools to attract STEM teachers.

What is your point?

As I said: "Am I defending government-run public schools? No, absolutely not. I support school vouchers."

Government-run schools waste way too much money.

We should indulge you antagonizing teachers? We don't pay enough to get quality instructors, especially when the working conditions are inadequate.

 

Doubt it's about not being allowed to teach falsehoods.

From the teachers I've talked to, and I'm married to a teacher, they are frustrated by inability to maintain discipline, and lack of that rewarding point where they help a child grasp a concept.

It's really administrative staff that doesn't help the teachers out.

It's okay I think our current philosophy on school by which I mean you're grand parents philosophy on school is outdated.

Perhaps it's time to dissolve the political influence.

 

My wife is a teacher. The shortages are caused by stupid vaccine mandates and early retirements because of it. Not a single teacher I had ever heard of quite because of CRT complaints from parents. Some have complained about all the stupid and unnecessary training they have to go through and the beaucracy tying their hands when it discipline and education. Teachers just want to teach but the public school system just wants to make their jobs a nightmare.

 

I wonder how many teachers quit when they said you couldn't "teach" flat Earth theory FET. Initials make it sound more legitimate.

 

Plenty of openings for people that whine about people who disagree with cockamamie "theories"

You're just complaining.

I considered being a teacher when I was younger but no way. Can't deal with the bureaucracy. It just turns it into fascism and it's not something that interests me.

 

Five family members are in education. Two are in upper level positions, (administration), and the rest really love teaching, but they'd all agree with you when it comes to the above. *bolded

 

Thanks for proving my point

 

Yes, by law and by function they are identical.

So CA teachers are being snookered out of $1000 a year by unions (and the legal equivalent employees associations) by organizations that can’t get them a living wage? Sounds like a racket. Do unions work harder for their members in affluent neighborhoods?

It hasn’t changed. It’s always been that it’s a sad state of affairs when a government run monopoly business with unionized employees in a so-called affluent high tax state that loves CRT can’t negotiate a living wage or decent working environment “safe” from criticism.

If the OP was legitimate we should see teachers flocking to CA and IL and other states that love CRT and taxation. We don’t see that.

Government run public schools are indefensible by anyone who cares about education and kids. That’s why we agree on this point. I know you care.

Yes waste of money is part of the problem.

If teachers are quitting because of criticism of CRT they don’t have what it takes to teach. Pay is another subject not addressed by the OP or my response to the OP.

If the notion teachers are interested in teaching CRT is a vicious lie, the smart move would be for these victimized teachers (and unions) to come out in opposition to teaching CRT. It would demonstrate honesty as well as stop the criticism and encourage solidarity between teachers and consumers of their product. Again, the fact this isn’t happening demonstrates these teachers supposedly unable to deal with criticism probably aren’t the brightest bulbs anyway.

 

it's happening because teachers were afraid of Covid and some Governors did not want to protect them, so they retired, now that Covid is pretty much over, they are not coming back

 

I said rightwing attacks make recruiting quality instructors more difficult. Teachers aren't telling white kids they should be ashamed of being whitr.

Unions do fail in this regard.

My union responded to extreme rightwing attacks on teachers by working with conservatives in the community (we have a Baptist university) to oust the school board. All seven were defeated.

Well, then maybe you would like my union.

They should engage in a statewide illegal strike?

 

ROFLMAO..... it is pure Covid Cowardice. The leftist teachers have drank the Covid kool-aid. If schools require the teachers to be in the same room as the Covid kids, thousands of teachers are tapping out. Nice guess on your part though. There is a little thing called data, you might want to look into it.





PS: If a teacher isn't willing to risk Covid for the kids, they don't need to be teaching. Also if they are groomers, we are better off without them.

 

You don't know what you're talking about.

Teachers join unions mostly to have protection against unfair treatment.

This is absurd. California teachers are not telling white students they should be ashamed of being white.

Stop repeating the claim teachers are "teaching" CRT. It's an absurd lie.

They don't like being accused on teaching white kids they should be ashamed of being white.

Teachers should come out with a straightforward statement that the claim they teach CRT, a Marxist explanation for systemic racism, and that they tell white students they should be ashamed they're white are flat lies.

 

Your point is the political crap involving education is the problem? That's a bizarre view for a leftist type to have. As teachers unions and the other communist crap in the education system seems exclusively favorable to the left.

Best way to undo this is let people decide which school they want to go to instead of forcing them to attend whatever piece of crap they are in the district of. It's strictly leftists that squeal bloody murder when that happens.

 

If schools require the teachers to be in the same room as the Covid kids, thousands of teachers are tapping out. Nice guess on your part though. There is a little thing called data, you might want to look into it.

PS: If a teacher isn't willing to risk Covid for the kids, they don't need to be teaching.[/QUOTE]
Lots of them didn't want to expose their family members, so they quit or retired early.

Implying teachers who won't teach through covid are "groomers?"

 

Then teachers should make it clear they agree with parents opposed to CRT. If they aren’t teaching it and don’t want to why not take that position in solidarity with their critics? Problem solved.

I think employees in any sector should be able to handle a little criticism. Leaving the ability to handle criticism could even be part of a child’s education in a sane world.

Your union got rid of teachers who can’t handle criticism? Are there teacher shortages in districts represented by your union? I like the idea of working with the consumer though.

Teacher wages are not set by the state. Are you not aware of this? And recent strikes in CA have been effective, no?

What is a fair wage for a teacher? In California they make 1.27 times the average salary for the state. When studied seriously the results show teachers work about 40 hours a week during the school year and about 21 hours a week in the summer. With the possible exception of high school teachers, public educators are paid better than their peers in other occupations.

Service industries (which education would be) often spend upwards of 50% of gross revenue on payroll. Teachers in CA are getting about 27% of public education gross revenue. As you’ve said there is waste somewhere, and teachers are still making more on average than private sector employees with similar hours/responsibilities.

 

They shouldn't dignify the lie.

"Criticism" based on a lie. They're right to defend what they do.

Criticism or a lie? There's no reason to sit still for a lie.

Our district is known as a good place to work because we took out a school board with cheap crooks and bigots. A lot of our teachers are graduates of the Baptist university in our town.

The wage should be what we need to pay to get the kind of teacher we want. Supply and demand.

The research I've seen consistently points to about 50 hours per week, not 40.

I don't think it's that easy to compare teaching with other service industries.

 

Education in Crisis.

Déjà Vu: Another Democrat Thinks Parents Shouldn’t Have a Say in Their Children’s Education: Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke, who has taken thousands from teachers’ unions, says parents shouldn’t question teachers.

Who wants to tell him?

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Voters have had enough of tin eared Democrats that don't listen on the borders, crime, education or inflation.

 

LOL. That’s not a valid argument. It’s a logical fallacy. I’ll provide evidence from an actual case in CA to counter your unsubstantiated fallacious opinion.

https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily...01-unions-vs-associations-20130831-story.html

Of course as is my custom I encourage you to provide a reference to law that differentiates between unions and employee associations! Not contractual differences entered into by willing participants, actual law differentiating between the two.

And criticism is unfair treatment in some people’s worlds I guess.

Please quote me saying anything about telling white students they should be ashamed of being white.

Please refrain from fallacious arguments.

Just out of curiosity how do you KNOW what CA teachers are telling white students?

Is it? I don’t think you are well informed. Some CA districts have been teaching ethnic studies for some time. California will be mandating ethnic studies now as a graduation requirement and foundational principles of CRT are very much a part of the curriculum. One example is intersectionality. Rebranding CRT as “ethnic studies” and leaving key principles like intersectionality intact only fools the non critical thinker. I’m not interested in semantic games.

To be clear, I’ve stated CA loves CRT, not that teachers are teaching anything specific. Your strawman argument is tedious.

Poor teachers. Should all Christian teachers rage quit because there has been criticism of Christian teachers?

They can’t. They won’t.

To be clear, if a school district wants to teach CRT and even call it CRT that’s up to them. I don’t care. My point is the notion teachers are quitting etc. all over is NOT because of criticism of CRT. If it were, places like CA and Chicago that do not oppose CRT and are already teaching key components of CRT would be gaining teachers while states like TX would be the only states losing teachers.

 

What lie? CRT is certainly taught in part in many districts. And will be in more soon. Again, I’ve not said anything about telling white kids to be ashamed. That’s your view, not mine. Places like CA should be drawing teachers from TX if the OP has merit. It isn’t happening. That’s the point.


There can’t be supply and demand functionality in a government run monopoly.

Your “research” on teachers hours is probably surveys of teacher’s opinions about how much they work. When actual documentation is used it paints a different picture. This study used data where workers actually documented time spent working, not just making an unsubstantiated claim on a survey.


https://direct.mit.edu/edfp/article/9/3/231/10191/New-Measures-of-Teachers-Work-Hours-and

Why can’t you compare teaching to other service industries?

 

Question: Are these schools that have teacher shortages hiring teachers who don't want to get vaccinated?

You can't be that surprised when schools across America fired 12% of their teachers and now there's a teacher shortage.

If there are decent applicants who have teaching credentials and the schools are refusing to hire them, you have to wonder whether that is really a "shortage".

 

Part of the reason is they can't afford to live there, due to the high cost of living. There are actually plenty of teaching jobs, but we are talking about in areas where a modest middle class house costs 15 or 20 times what that teacher will earn per year.

Many teachers will decide not to take that job. And that is why these schools have openings in the first place.

 

Apparently my point went sailing over your head. What else is new

 

Yeah there are a lot of cowardly teachers afraid of the children. That is true. Mostly in blue states though. People who believe the scare tactics and gross exaggerations.