You suggesting Iowa law doesn't cover sexual orientation. You are, like most other things, wrong about that, too. http://www.iowa.gov/government/crc/publications/brochures/english_brochure.html
Legally requiring religious people to conduct a ceremony which goes against their religious beliefs, just doesn't seem right to me.
I don't care what you think. They have to, or face the consequences. That is the law. Don't like it, don't start a business.
Well. What if a non-Christian business was forced to have a same-sex wedding happen at their establishment? People would be very offended by that. But Christians are bullied, and nobody cares if a Christian business is forced to conduct a ceremony which goes against their religious beliefs. Why does everybody have such double standards with Christians?
Not at all. ALL businesses are required to adhere to the non-discrimination policies. It's just the "so-called" loving christians that want an exception to the rule in order to further their hate. Sorry, no exceptions for nobody.
I am, begrudgingly, willing to give them an exception. But if their members don't stop trying to interfere with secular government I'm going to change my mind about that pretty quickly.
AND like I said, the "free exercise" of religion is an individual right not limited to "institution"s. AND like I said, they would have equally been opposed to two heterosexual men who wanted to marry in their facility. Has nothing to do with their homosexuality and it is instead their desire to conduct a marriage between two people of the same sex, regardless of their sexual orientation.
Why do you have a desire to control what religious institutions allow? Why would a gay couple want to get married in a church, other than trying to prove a point to Christians? They can just get married somewhere else.
Of course they do. But not only do they not have the right to, they are constitutionally forbidden from imposing their religious tenets onto the rest of us. But they, and you, keep trying.
Though I believe a business owner should have the "right to refuse service to anyone," it seems the law in Iowa sees it differently. If you are going to be in business, you need to comply with the laws of your jurisdiction. This is not a religious freedom issue, simple a matter of civil law...
Don't you get it? Anything that prevents discriminating against them awful queers is a violation of religious freedom.
And what business are they in? They don't manufacture anything, they aren't distributors of goods to retail outlets, they don't sell goods or services directly. (unless you're counting stuff like the occasional bake sale or spaghetti dinner, which is hardly the bulk of their intake). Quite frankly, the megachurches that do more closely resemble businesses don't seem much like churches to me, but that's just my personal opinion. So I'm not persuaded that they are "non-profit businesses", which strikes me as a bit of an oxymoron. But do provide some more details (preferably with citations) showing that churches are considered businesses under the tax codes. I am always open to learning more facts, and I certainly won't claim to know all there is to know about non-profit organizations with respect to the tax codes. Be that as it may, the primary 'business' of a church is religion. Some seemingly insert more business into their religion than others. A for-profit business owner inserting their religion into their business is something else entirely.
If so, then they should be taxed like any other business and be subject to all of the same regulations. None of this having their cake and eating it too crap. - - - Updated - - - Were they asked to conduct the ceremony? Not from anything I've read, but feel free to post proof to the contrary if you think it exists from a credible source.
Yeah, I get it. But I'm more interested in the rights of a business owner to determine with whom they wish to do business...
Many Christians are respectful to gays. Despite the fact that they don't approve of their behaviors, they don't refer to them as "awful queers". That violates Titus 3:2. How is not wanting a same-sex wedding to happen on your church, somehow discriminating against gays? Gays should know that same-sex weddings violate the teachings of certain religions. If they want to get married, they should just do it somewhere else. Show some respect for people's religious traditions. As I have said before, many Christians respect gays, and gays should do the same. This means not trying to make a statement by forcing a church to have a same sex wedding, which just totally disrespects their religous traditions.
So then I guess if I where to walk into a bakery owned by a gay couple and told them to bake me a cake that said "all gays are filthy whores and will spend eternity burning in the fiery pit of hell!" they would have to do it or I could file suit against them? How about if I wanted to rent out a muslim hall and explained that we would be serving pulled pork wrapped in bacon while playing "pin the pig tail on allah the pedophile." they would have to allow it or we could sue? or maybe I could walk into a Jewish book publishing company wanting to publish a book "All the wonderful things Hitler did during his reign and why its too bad he didn't finish torturing and killing everey single Jew", well they would have to produce and sell the book for myown personal gain, and thats OK too??
Balderdash. Presenting an unknowable predication to justify a christophobic hate statement is intellectual minimalisim.
Who cares. They obviously bragged about it being a homo-hoot-n-nanny. No business of anykind can be forced to serve people who offend their beliefs. There is no beauty in gay anything.
It would be wrong to refuse on the basis of race as that was the real civil rights movement. Homosexuals hi-jacked that noble movement and turned it into a meaningless display of peversity.
Well, about this you are precisely 100% wrong. Not saying that I agree... but nonetheless, public accommodation laws and whatnot simply make your statement false.
You are right. I stand corrected. http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2011/11/have-you-reserved-your-right-to-refuse-service.html
Not true. The Constitution forbids the establishment of a government church. It does not forbid belief in God that libs re after. Christians can support laws that are inspired by the Bible.
