How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

When Durandal posts an article from CNN relying on unnamed sources, that's okay.

And when Durandal posts articles from RT, that's okay, too.

But when someone else does the exact same thing, suddenly Durandal has a problem with it.

 

Biden and other US officials openly declared their hostility to Nordstream, along with their intention to end it, and you want to claim there is no evidence or no motive. Something so manifestly nonsensical doesn't merit a well thought out response.

 

If it's not your problem, then why are running around here and spread around some stupid bullshit? Want to look more clever that you really are? But you are not very successful on it, declaring yourself "free thinker" and meantime spreading around stupid propaganda with only argument like "I believe it" do not make you look very clever.

 

Please show where I have done that. You can't because I don't do that. I am very much a sceptic. Thanks for playing but you lose.

 

It's not my problem. It's your problem. But you're not strong enough to stand on your own, so you leech off American taxpayers and hide behind America's skirt.

 

No, your lack of ability to think, argue and just evaluate what you had read, is yours not mine problem.

 

Where is the proof that Russia blew up its own pipeline? Oh, right... there is none. But that doesn't stop Durandal and USVet and other US regime apologists from spreading that disingenuous and risible narrative.

 

Why you need any proof, that Russia did it, while you declare without any proof, that US blow up pipeline? Where is the logic here?

 

What came next was stunning. On February 7, less than three weeks before the seemingly inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine, Biden met in his White House office with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who, after some wobbling, was now firmly on the American team. At the press briefing that followed, Biden defiantly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”

Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially the same message at a State Department briefing, with little press coverage. “I want to be very clear to you today,” she said in response to a question. “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”

 

So US openly declared, that they will blow up pipeline before its secret operation? You have problems not only with knowledge, but also with simple logic.

 

At least I got past it. When are you going to catch up?

 

School and self-study. Same as German.

 

Just randomly picked Russian to study huh?

 

AMEN

 

Amen....again....for baltic yappers

 

Pretty much. I picked languages that appealed to me. I was a fan of Dostoevsky long before I started learning it.

If I might ask a more pertinent question, for what reason would you propose US leadership would want to blow up an already shut-down pipeline and risk blowing apart NATO and US-European relations in the process?

 

All BS....unless there's a smoking gun...irrefutable video evidence....it's all speculation. Nuff said.

 

CORRECTED-UPDATE 1-Russia: U.S. has questions to answer over Nord Stream explosions

Wed, February 8, 2023 at 9:58 AM CST

(Corrects to say blasts were inside exclusive economic zones of Sweden and Denmark, not their "territorial waters")

Feb 8 (Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry said on Wednesday the United States had questions to answer over its role in explosions on the undersea Nord Stream gas pipelines last year.

Commenting on a report published earlier on Wednesday that said the United States was involved in the explosions, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called on the White House to comment on the "facts" that had been presented.

Reuters was unable to verify the report, published by U.S. investigative journalist Seymour Hersh on his blog, alleging U.S. involvement in the explosions.

... https://news.yahoo.com/1-russia-u-questions-answer-155813301.html​

Right on cue.

 

I think that's obvious. Nord Stream was a source of funds and economic strength for Russia, and it's existence leaves Western Europe heavily dependent on Russian gas, as was predicted and which happened, which is why weaning Europe off of Russian gas has been so difficult and expensive. Also, given that the US goal of the war is to weaken Russia economically and militarily, it's a war goal. Plus with the pipelines gone, there's no chance that any of the European partners will get queasy since they can't hook back up to that particular outlet for Russian gas. Otherwise they might have to deal with political pressure at home to turn the gas spigot back on. Now that's years away if ever.

Biden and Nuland did threaten Nord Stream before hand, so the US did find it a threat. So why the US or NATO would want the pipelines taken out don't seem to be much mystery. But as I asked when the pipelines were destroyed, what's the Russian interest in destroying them? You and others said "propaganda" which doesn't seem to make sense and I've never been able to get a rational answer as to why the Russians would find it in their interest to actually destroy (as opposed to simply shut off) a massive source of revenue.

Hersh's story may be without actual evidence, but your (and other's) story defies common sense.

 

Parasitic East European countries??

Name them?

End up like Ukraine??

Who invaded?

Silly post you have?

 

You are ignoring the fact that it was already shut down, and you have failed to address why the US would want to take the risk of destroying NATO and our relations with Europe.

And yes, it has propaganda value for Russia. You can see in this thread how it is being exploited.

 

Is Seeless Hersh a reliable source?

 

I'm sorry, but I don't see how there is the slightest bit of propaganda value for Russia. How would destroying their own pipeline provide any propaganda? Has it? In what way has Russia been advantaged?

I don't see how blowing the pipeline would endanger NATO or our relations with Europe at all. Everyone seems to be on the same sheet of music.

 

Please see #29.