How did Barack Obama get into Columbia? (Time to finally vet Barack Obama)

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And the premise that would raise questions is what? Was he by his own admittance as pot-smoking, coke-snorting slacker who skipped school mostly? And yes we do know how Romney got into Harvard. He had a solid scholastic record and a strong record of community service and a strong family record of personal accomplishment and public service.


    They have outreach and recruiting programs such as

    "Harvard’s international population grew 4.2 percent in 2004, despite a national trend that saw international enrollments shrinking for the second year in a row, a recent survey found.

    University officials cited the powerful draw of Harvard’s name, along with robust recruitment efforts and a generous financial aid program as likely explanations. University President Lawrence H. Summers has made expanding Harvard’s international population a priority.

    This year, Harvard’s international contingent continued to grow, according to Sharon Ladd, the director of the Harvard International Office. "
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/11/16/harvard-draws-foreign-students-harvards-international/

    The African son of the finance minister of Kenya would be a nice addition to the student body.


    Yes a big red flag. I thought he was suppose to be brilliant, one of the smartest men out there but he hides not only his transcripts but everything about his school years.
    Are you denying it? He said so in his books.
    Like what about a mediocre druggie?

    Specious.


    Are you denying them?

    Before 2003 hardly any.

    No Kenya, and that was his hired publicist, where did they get the information about him?

    Yes why the confusion later?

    His promotional brochure getting his literary career off the ground.
    Exactly while they do exist for Obama. So you also have no evidence Romney cheated on his taxes and not premise to believe so do you as take the position he doesn't need to release anymore tax information, remember he HAS released that information to clear up where his income comes from and what holding he has, 10 years worth. So how about Obama coming clean on his college records, I mean what does he have to hide?

    Sure there are.
     
  2. SFJEFF

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    And? I went to college with a bunch of those guys. Seriously- I went to college right around the time Obama did- and college was filled full of pot-smoking coke snorting students- who got good grades.

    What you imply is that this means he had bad grades....but there is nothing to indicate that Obama had bad grades at all. This is again your speculation that a guy who smoked pot couldn't have also been bright enough to get good grades.

    But his Occidental classmates didnt' think that:

    Ken Sulzer:
    “Obama and I were walking back to the dorm and — listen, I was a year older and I thought I was a pretty smart guy — so I say, ‘I got an A, Barry, what’d you get?’ And he kind of wouldn’t tell me and just tried to change the subject in his low-key cool way. So I grabbed his paper out of his hand — and he’d gotten an A-plus. That’s when it hit me just how bright he was.”

    Carpenter recalled Obama as "a good bodysurfer" who had "a funky red car, a Fiat," and who also played intramurals - flag football, tennis and water polo. "He was an athletic guy. He was gifted in that regard," said Carpenter. He also remembered Obama being "super bright. He could get through the course work in a fraction of the time it took me."

    Barbara Thummalapally:
    Having a good time didn't interfere with Obama's academics. "It was so typical that he could just go and type out this amazing paper and do well after having partied all night, having drinks, beer or whatever we do at college," she says.


    Margot Mifflin,
    Barry was a focused, dedicated student and an earnest, sincere person, but he wasn't too serious to talk about the fun stuff

    Anne Howells, a retired English professor, said she wrote Obama a recommendation for his Columbia transfer -- even though he sometimes turned in assignments late. "He wanted a bigger school and the experience of Manhattan," she said. "I thought it was a good move for him."

    "He was so bright and wanted a wider urban experience."

    "He was the kind of student that comes along and you say, 'Oh, I wish I had written that or thought of that,' " Howells said.

    Mike Zinn
    But when Obama returned for his sophomore year, Zinn says, he told the coach he would no longer be playing basketball because he wanted to concentrate on academics. Before his junior year, Obama transferred to Columbia. But Zinn wasn't surprised he'd turned to loftier pursuits.

    "You could tell he was a really intelligent guy, a pretty deep thinker," Zinn says. "Freshmen are goof-offs, in a lot of cases, but he was not like that.




    That you choose to believe that President Obama couldn't have gotten into Occidental and Columbia and Harvard is a reflection on you- not on the facts or President Obama.





    And yes we do know how Romney got into Harvard. He had a solid scholastic record and a strong record of community service and a strong family record of personal accomplishment and public service.

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    Really? We 'know'? Do you have some inside track at Harvard Law Admissions?

    Romney:
    During his final year at Cranbook, he improved academically, but was still not a star pupil.[18][20] He won an award for those "whose contributions to school life are often not fully recognized through already existing channels".[20]

    He was a B and C student.

    How did such a lackluster student get into Stanford?

    He went one semester to Stanford- what was his 'solid scholastic record' at Stanford? We don't know.

    How did he get into BYU? Well we don't know that either- merit or family connections? I don't care...but if his name was Obama- you would.

    Romney graduated with highest honors from Brigham Young. (Brigham Young is currently ranked as #71, Columbia as #4 in the nation)

    So we have Obama...graduating without honors from the #4 college in the country, while Romney graduated with top honors from the #71 college in the country.

    What about this 'strong record of community service?

    Mitt of course had his Mormon mission to France- where of course he was terribly injured. He also was involved in the family politics, and was involved with a booster organization in college. Did I miss anything?

    What did Obama bring to Harvard? He graduated from the #4 college in the U.S., and we know he had recommendations from his professors.

    Unlike Romney though, Obama worked after college before Harvard.
    Obama worked for a year at Business International, a publisher in New York.

    Then Obama worked for New York Public Interest Group- working with students teaching them how to lobby for change in public policy.

    Then of course Obama went to Chicago as a "Community Organizer"- doing you know- 'Community service"- working on job training program, college prep tutoring program and tenants rights.

    So when I look at it- Obama had 5 years of real life experience- both working in a business and also doing that 'community service' that you think Romney had such a strong record on....

    Of course we don't know what either of their LSAT's were- but you just assume that Obama's were bad and Romney's were good.

    Why?

    Well because that suits your thesis.

    Oh and this? "a strong family record of personal accomplishment"

    I didn't see anything at Harvard admissions about an applicants family being important.

    Though then again- Obama's father went to Harvard....Romney's didn't.
     
  5. SFJEFF

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    So in conclusion- you can't find anything to support your claim that being a foreign student would in anyway give an applicant any advantage over a U.S. applicant?

    Really you are the one making the claim that Obama would have benefitted by applying as a foreign student- can't you find one bit of evidence to support this rather ridiculous claim?
     
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    A big red flag?

    We know as much about Obama's college history as Romney's- but it is a big red flag for you only for Obama.

    I mean Obama was hiding so much about his time at Harvard that he was on the front page of newspapers all across the country.

    Why- using your terms- is Romney hiding his college transcripts?

    And why- using your terms- is Romney hiding everying about his school years?
     
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    Hardly any? Are you ignorant or just lying? This is what you call hardly any?

    14.New York Times, February 6, 1990
    15.Chicago Tribune, February 7, 1990
    16.Washington Post, February 8, 1990
    17.Chicago Daily Herald, May 3, 1990
    18.Columbia Today, Fall 1990
    19.Chicago Magazine, January 1993
    20.Chicago Tribune, Feb 10, 1993
    21.Los Angeles Times, August 7, 1995
    and his own Senate website in 1999
    and his best selling autobiography in 1995
    http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/

    Compare this with your citations:
    Vanity Fair
    A promotional brochure in 1993

    The actual evidence shows that Barack Obama consistantly told everyone he was born in Hawaii.

    You can imply what you want, you can speculate as you wish, you can use innuendo to try to smear President Obama- but the facts are the facts. You can't find a single instance where President Obama has every claimed he was born anywhere but the U.S..
     
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    Really. Care to quote where Obama said his grades were mediocre? I can see a mention of a 'mediocre' report card- which pretty much described Romney's.

    Step right up and show me where Obama said he had bad grades.
     
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    Has anybody found out what obama's GPA was yet?
     
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    Its was the same as Romney's.
     
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    there is something cheesy about that whole fogbow page. seems contrived.

    anyway i found this, from columbia i guess...



    The election of Barack Obama ’83 last February as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review commanded wide attention in the press. However, he emphasized to a reporter, “It is important that stories like mine are not used to say that everything is OK for blacks. You have to remember that for every one of me, there are hundreds or thousands of black students with at least equal talent who don’t get a chance.” Mr. Obama spent four years after college heading a community development program on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in Law School. Born in Hawaii -- his late father, Barack Obama Sr. was a Kenyan finance minister and his mother Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist -- Mr. Obama was largely raised in Los Angeles and Indonesia. In interviews with the Harvard Law Record, law review members said it was Mr. Obama’s combination of “"outstanding legal scholarship and experience as a community organizer, in addition to his inclusive leadership style, that distinguished him from the field of candidates” for the editorship, to which he must devote about 60 hours a week.

    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends-2/
    who knows... i'd like to know who is doing the writing... you would think at least fogbow would get their story straight.
     
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    Some numbers would be nice.
     
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    of course you're a birther.







    no, the point is you have zero evidence that obama claimed foreign student status on his application, and you have no credible reason to believe he did.
     
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    I honestly don't believe his whole life story. I don't believe his mother was really his mother, I don't believe his grandparents were really his grandparents. He is fiction. I believe he was invented for a purpose. And, I believe it's not working out for his creators. He's done, and I also believe he could be in danger.

    Just an opinion of course, but I have never seen anything like it. There are absolutely no interviews with anyone of substance that can prove any of this man existing in the story we have been sold. Conveniently his grandmother just happened to pass away after his nomination....strange. The whole thing is strange.

    Something very deceitful happened to America, and we will not find out the full scale of this until after Romney is our president.
     
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    There's also nothing of any substance to disprove the background that we know of...

    Strange...
     
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    Ah, if only that were relevant...
     
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    Interesting that that is your response...
     
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    By how own admittance he was a slacker.

    No honors and no honors at Columbia

    "Federal law limits the information that Columbia can release about Mr. Obama's time there. A spokesman for the university, Brian Connolly, confirmed that Mr. Obama spent two years at Columbia College and graduated in 1983 with a major in political science. He did not receive honors, Mr. Connolly said, though specific information on his grades is sealed. A program from the 1983 graduation ceremony lists him as a graduate."
    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

    And as the WSJ noted

    "Put that way, his time at Columbia sounds unremarkable. Maybe that's what most pains a young memoirist and an ambitious politician who strains to make his life anything but unremarkable."
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122108881386721289.html


    That you have to make it personal shows how your arguments are lacking.
     
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    Don't need he talks about his college days and as you posted we know how he got into the colleges he got into.

    So what is Obama hiding?
     
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    Nope, I stipulate he was born in Hawaii and is a US Citizen.



    So what is he hiding then? And yes there are credible reasons to believe he may have misrepresented himself in his early years.
     
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    So once again you don't have anything that says that Obama had bad grades? Just that he called himself a 'slacker"...



    That you choose to believe that President Obama couldn't have gotten into Occidental and Columbia and Harvard is a reflection on you- not on the facts or President Obama.
     
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    If Obama is hiding anything then of course Romney is likewise hiding something.....but funny how for Romney it isn't hiding but for Obama it is....

    And there is 'no credible reason' .....just the innuendo of a few extremist political opponents

    There is a reason why this has no legs, but Romney's tax records issue does.
     
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    Since we know exactly as much about how Romney got into Harvard as we do Obama and we know exactly as much about their grades- the obvious fact is that neither Obama or Romney are hiding anything- they just aren't giving their political opponents access to their personal information.

    By the way- what were Romney's vast amounts of 'community service' that you mentioned?
     
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    A poster at Doc Conspiracy's site put it well I think:

    Thrifty: I’m still trying to wrap my head around this hulabaloo about Obama’s school records. If I follow correctly, the Birthers are saying:1) We believe that Barack Obama attended school as a foreign student. Doing so would disqualify him as a natural born citizen.Okay I guess that would make sense if it were true. To be a natural born citizen, you have to be born a United States citizen. To be a foreign student at any school, you have to be not a United States citizen. The two propositions (natural born citizen or foreign student) are mutually exclusive.2) Therefore, we need to see his college records to prove that he wasn’t attending school as a foreign student.Okay so… follow my thought process as I try to think this through… Maybe that makes sense, like if I suspected JoZeppy of stealing my lawn mower, so I demand to look all through his house to prove that he didn’t.Except I don’t think it works that way. If I suspected JoZeppy of stealing my lawn mower, I suspect that I would have to provide some sort of evidence that he did before making demands to search his house. Like if I saw evidence of forceful entry into my garage, or tire tracks leading from my garage to his house. Otherwise, we could find this scenario: JoZeppy lets me search his house, top and bottom. Then I demand to search the house of all his local friends and relatives. Then, perhaps, miraculously, I am satisfied that he did not steal my lawn mower, so I give up. Then a week later I say that I think he stole my chainsaw. The cycle is reborn.Is that really what the Birthers are doing? I mean, they seem to love the idea of “guilty until proven innocent”. Is the whole thing with the college records predicated on the notion “we believe he was a foreign student, and even though we have no direct evidence of this, we think that proof of this is in those records, and demand to see them to prove that he wasn’t”?
     

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