How do we prevent these mass shootings?

Some problems are not absolute, and therefore do not have absolute solutions. What we need is to realize that all men are not subject to the control of all men. This is because the desires of man are not unified, and as such conflict. Until we develop some sort of unified hive mind (a concept most logical individuals find abhorrent) then diametrically opposed ideals will continue to be resolved through violence.

 

Do we sue government that refuses to follow its own laws pursuant to the Hippocratic oath and develop effective mental health care?



The county, the states courts and the fed courts with a newspaper collude to stop effective mental health care. Seventeen reporters and editors fired, or resigned and gagged in 2006 in order to stop a lawsuit and prevent the public from knowing about it.

http://algoxy.com/law/no_free_press/sbsecretsofmedia.html

 

There is only one practical and reliable way to prevent anyone in this country from going nuts and killing people; identify them early, violate their rights, and lock them away.

If, on the other hand, we are to accept the reality that crazy people have rights too, and are allowed to be at large in our society, then we also must agree to accept the crazy things they will occasionally do. This is the plain reality.

To try to tie this crazy person's actions to a specific tool, like guns, and pretend that eliminating the tool will fix the crazy, is delusional, or agenda driven..

 

Until the SCOTUS repeals Heller, we won't escape these mass killing sprees. The only solution is to make owning guns a privilege rather than a right. Until we come to grips with this essential fact, expect more carnage. The rest of the world figured this out ages ago, unfortunately for us, we refuse to grow up as a nation and as a people. Let the carnage continue, hand wringing is a national pastime.

 

The rest of the world has its own problems to figure out. The problem of violence being chief among them.

 

Pretty much.

 

we need much better mental health services.

we need people watching out for one another, intervening when they can, and calling the cops when they think someone may be a danger to themselves or others.

its takes a village to keep the village safe

 

How about this Alexander?


If you have a government you have a RESPONSIBILITY to keep people out of it who will use it to do others harm. My solution is we remove people from government who are responsible for not working to create the best mental health care treatment for the mentally ill or criminals.

 

This is the cry of a person not interested in the truth. There is no way to prevent those events from ever starting. That being the case the only rational solution is to limit the damage in some way when they do occur.

 

Yes.

But let us get comprehensive.

We need much better Americans. People that will stand up for their unalienable rights by reasonably agreeing upon them.

Maybe some immigrants will agree with this.

Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?

Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish?

 

The "mass shootings" are only a symptom of an even larger problem of violence and the glorification of the same in this society. I've seen people mix their patriotism with violent attitudes and imagery, since I was a child, and it isn't as though America has evolved much since then.

Just listening to people here and gleaning understanding by paying attention over the decades, tells me that we don't value LIFE... as much as we 'say' that we do. People DYING is NOTHING to us... that is, until DEATH touches ourselves, in some personal way.

That needs to change, and now... would be as good a time as any. The obsession and perversion about the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution is part of what ails us. Politically (and commercially), that Amendment has been hijacked by those who benefit from guns AND violence. Sadly, there is all manner of 'industry' about the violence in this society. Yes, people make MONEY of of VIOLENCE, gun manufacturers being near the TOP of that economic food chain. It's obvious.

People need to stop lying to themselves about where, how and why GUNS are so synonymous with wanton DEATH in American society. As we've been told countless times:

Follow the Money

 

18 of the top 20 beers, as rated by beer lovers worldwide, are American beers. (and one of the remaining two is Russian ) We used to be known for (*)(*)(*)(*)-water beer (Budweiser: bleh) but we've come a LONG way in the last decade!

 

States or even local communities can pass any gun laws they wish, which is no different the 27 EU Communities. Gun Laws in Chicago or many US Urban areas, have done nothing to prevent killings or to those that have guns. Said another way, defensive use of guns or the misuse of weapons, are different in many places and can't be regulated on a federal level.

If you really want to help control mavericks, start by charging the people who should have known what was brewing, as accessories to a crime!!!

 

Gun violence is linked to poverty. The lower the wealth of an area the higher the crime rates are. Proliferation of guns can not possibly be the issue or our rural areas would be violent epicenters of mayhem and carnage. In point of fact over 60% of the murders in the us happen in major urban centers in predominantly poor neighborhoods. Want to lower gun violence in America. Work on bringing people out of poverty in a real and meaningful way.

Oregon has the unique distinction of being 1 of the worst states in the country for government officials to intervene in cases of mental health issues due to a specific law preventing as much. Which is probably why they have had a disproportionate amount of shooting incidents.

Poverty and mental health care are the number 1 and 2 reasons we have issues with gun violence in America.

 

mass shootings in the USA are almost always random targets and the causes have NOTHING to do with poverty.

its almost always politically/racially motivated or due to extreme mental illness

 

Sure it did not help to ban guns by law form a city in the USA ... if anyone must only take his car and drive to neighbor state to buy a gun! This is lame to take as argument that gun law does not work ... if any law should work, then only depending to all 50 States the same way with no local exceptions or so as first step!
Second step is simply to allow only these persons to have a gun which are allowed by strict law to have a gun. all others have to deliver their guns until deadline "X" to next police station or so. After this deadline must be hard practice and penalty given for all who still have a gun and are picked up with a gun!

I know ... sound like "Bible of Satan", but only this way it will work!

 

Mass shootings are a statistically insignificant to the amount of murders we have in the US. Random mass murders amount to about 17 to 20 a year compared to 12,000 total murders. I would address the real problems not the emotionally irrational ones only.

 

Illogical argument. If guns are the Common factor in mass murder then why does Aurora Illinois, the second largest city in Illinois have an extremely low homicide rate but Chicago with extremely tough gun laws have one of the worst? It does not make sense that an area with relatively easy access to firearms has recorded less than 10 murders a year. Again the answer is in poverty and mental health.

 

Sorry it isn't routine, no more here than anywhere else.

 

Oh good, this means you would support a lawful and peaceful revolution with preparatory amendment ending the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech.

Media manipulation of the psychology of society for profits is responsible for most of our problems.

 

The more centralized the government, the further removed it is from the people it administers.

Why bother having states? We have states so that individuals can have more power to control the legislation that controls them. Remove "buy a gun" from your comment above and you'll find that "anyone must only take his car and drive to neighbor state to perform some act that is illegal in his own state. This is indeed why we have states, and not a single central government.

So where is the limit? Today guns, tomorrow knives, next week karate manuals? The more we complacently give up our individuality the less free we become.

 

You are thinking about topic of deterrence ... as more are armed, as lesser people think to have a chance for crime with their guns?
Well ... if you make in Chicago an island of tuff gun law and all around are guns able to be bought easy like candies and brought home, then the law has no real sense, correct?

On the other hand ... why does it work in Europe so well in comparison ... better as in Aurora / Illinois? Maybe some cultural differences?

 

You didn't say European Union. You said 'European countries.' Switzerland is a European country. And there are millions of guns in private hands and in public armories. And they seem to be just fine. Of course "European gun control" only really took hold when Hitler disarmed the Jews in 1938 so they couldn't fight back against the SS and were more easily led to the ovens... American gun control laws also started out as a means of preventing blacks from owning firearms. Interesting nexus, eh?

 

Are you under the impression that it's somehow difficult to produce a device that murders large groups of people? Man's ingenuity in regards to violence extends beyond finding someone who will produce weaponry for you.

 

So why do you have then a United States of America and not 50 individual countries?

About the question of limit you named ...
Knives with blade of 10cm (about 4 inches) or more are forbidden by law and are handled same way a lethal weapon by law! Same for any other things like Brass knuckles, batons, etc. - all forbidden!
Karate and other fight sport abilities are restricted by law too. I have for example a blue belt in Jiu Jitsu and if I am attacked by someone, it was a bad decision of him to do ... but if I kick the ass to hard of this person, means I do more as to overwhelmed him, I can be put to court!

Do I feel out of this more un-free now or too much restricted or do I have any problem with it? No ... not really!

There is a cultural difference existing between Europe and USA and without blaming now each other to be the fool out of it etc. ... what is nonsense ... Europeans are with much lesser "freedom" quite happy as US people are. On the other hand we become much more upset and angry at other things as US people, for example the wiretapping scandal of NSA which depends also that any US citizen can be wiretapped without judge control etc. ... something where about 80% of US people I know personally make only a shrunk for...