How do you expect the war between Russia and Ukraine to end?

How do you expect the war between Russia and Ukraine to end?


And what is your best case and your worst case scenario?

 

worst case scenario: Russia conquers Ukraine - and then goes on attacking Poland and the Baltic States

 

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/ukraines-worst-case-scenario

From the year 2014 .....

 

Best case: sanctions on Russia bite and support for Ukraine persists, Putin dies/gets thrown out and the new Russian leadership pulls out.
Worst case: WW3, leading to nuclear war.
Most likely: war drags on and eventually Ukraine agrees to cede territory as support for them wanes.

 

They spend years fighting each other to a standstill with no significant gains on either side and eventually agree a ceasefire. There is then more years of unstable negotiations until some kind of settlement is finally reached, though probably a delicate one that could collapse at any point. I suspect it would take a change in leadership in Russia before that process could complete as I don't see any way out that would save Putin face.

Best case would probably be a quick and clean transition of power in Russia in a more moderate direction, leading to immediate cessation and a return to the pre-war borders (maybe with some levels of regional governance in both Donbas and Crimea, wherever it formally ends up).

Worst case would probably be a strategic nuclear strike against Kyiv, though I consider that extremely unlikely.

 

North Korea South Korea style stalemate.

Worst case? Putin goes nuclear after getting punched out of crimea.

Best case scenario? China wanting peace and stability forces Putin to pull out or knock it off.

 

Hopefully!

 

Worst case: NATO finally gets it's wish and we get involved directly in the war, resulting in a nuclear exchange and World War III.

Best case: There isn't really a good best case, but eventually Russia and Ukraine exhaust themselves and have a cease fire and talks to negotiate an end to the conflict.

 

It is just does not make common sense to that NATO wants a nuclear war. Wanting nuclear war is like wishing to commit suicide.

 

NATO doesn't want a nuclear war. It wants a conventional war in which US tanks drive all the way to Moscow and Putin surrenders the Kremlin and is summarily executed by NATO firing squad to the cheers of the liberated Russian people.

But if it tries that, it gets the nuclear war.

 

The idea that NATO wants any war with Russia is absolutely ridiculous. NATO is a collection of countries of which most are part of the EU. Any invasion of NATO even if the aim was to keep it a conventional will turn into a nuclear conflagration because Putin will do anything to save himself even let a significant number of RF citizens die to save his butt. Putin loves himself more than anything just as Trump loves himself more than anyone else or anything.

What NATO/EU would like is for Russia to fall apart as a result of civil wars occurring from the Finnish border to Vladivostok . Of course if that happens then China will start to make Siberia it’s wholly owned subsidiary. NATO/China would have to cooperate to secure Russia’s unclear weapons if civil war breaks out. The payout China would demand for it’s “cooperation” is control over Siberia. Indeed a steep price to get China’s “help” .

 

That seems as much a fantasy as the one I described. At least I knew what I was describing couldn't happen (a successful conventional war against Russia). You sound like you think a Russian break up is real.

 

No read what I wrote. A breakup of Russia could be a good thing but would be unintended consequences such as ending up with China controlling Siberia in some important way. Did you read where I said if an invasion even conventional would cause Putin to go nuclear? Did you read where I said that nuclear weapons make an invasion not feasible?

 

And you think a result of this is a break up of Russia. Sounds ludicrous.

 

What are you claiming I am saying? What do you mean by “a result of this”. A result of what Mike?

 

Best case scenario- Russia runs out of ammo soon and leaves. This is unlikely.

Worst case scenario- someone uses a nuke, and everyone else responds by also using nukes. This is far more likely.

What I think is most likely to happen- NATO will 'run out of ammo' (read: get tired of sending resources to Ukraine) and start pressuring Zelensky to make a deal, which will be that Russia gets to keep the regions that are predominantly populated by ethnic Russians as their new 'buffer zone' for NATO, the rest of Ukraine will officially join NATO, and we'll have a few more decades of cold war.

 

Do you read your own comments?

This is what I'm claiming you are saying...what you actually said.

 

So what! That is not the same as invading Russia. Russia falling apart from internal conflict is just fine. Of course as I noted there would be consequences such as dealing with China.

 

The authoritarian aggressor is being repulsed and weakened.

It's power over eastern Europe is dissipating.

Despite the appeasers, I don't foresee a reversal of that trend.

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Globalist even richer and Satan dancing with delight

 

Ukraine will defeat Russia. Details to follow.

 

Best case....Orcs get tossed out completely,Crimea included.......China plays a covert role in that, considering Xi may be providing token support for Dwarfstan.....but not before Mafiosi military is complete beaten the $hit out of and aren't much of a threat....which will satisfy Chinos & make their job easier, since they have designs on Siberia and Far East.

Ukraine joins NATO...right after.


Worst case....Dwarfstan loses what marble he has left ,fires nukes at EU/NATO targets.

 

"Few more decades of cold war"???

Doubtful.....this'll be some kinda "West/East Berlin" scenario.....sanctions will remain for a few more decades more like and bury the RF.

RuZZia isn't the SU.....they can't afford decades of "Cold War".

 

Why not? Unless NATO invades Russia, it won't matter what they can afford. Russia will posture whatever they CAN afford and our media will make it look menacing enough to justify sacrificing more of our rights to 'national security' and spending as much of our taxes as possible to exceed whatever we believe Russia has stocked up.