How good is the DNC at choosing candidates?

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  1. JohnHamilton

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    So I guess picking the person who will be the leader of you country is like picking a sports team or rooting for a sports star. If they win all the time that shows that they are honest, good and trustworthy.

    Putin and Xi have won all of their elections. Do you want to add them in your Hall of Fame?
     
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    If you prefer to treat elective government like sports teams, and believe that Russia and China are democratic nations, those are your prerogatives.

    The thread inquires "How good is the DNC at choosing candidates?" and, although some have shown contempt for American democracy since the 2020 election, having chosen a candidate for the presidency who had won nine consecutive, genuinely democratic elections proved to have been a good choice when he won for a tenth time.

    Other Democratic candidates, conspicuously Senatorial ones in Georgia and Pennsylvania in 2022, also proved to be wise choices.
     
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    So John “Lurch” Fetterman was a great choice for senator in Pennsylvania? This solidifies you status as a very committed Democrat who will support anybody they nominate.

    I have to admit that I am the same way as a Republican but only because of the way Democrats vote when they get to the House and Senate. They vote as a unit. Joe Mansion was only one who didn’t tow the party line 100% of the time no matter how bad the legislation is.
     
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    Nope. They wanted Bernie Sanders.

    Correct.

    Hell no.

    Bingo. The RNC and the DNC don't give a **** about We The People. We are "useless eaters" to them.
     
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    Nope, I wanted Bernie Sanders.

    I figured he was too far to the left but only his more moderate actions would get through Congress as it is
    a long way to the right.

    And Bernie was to the true left, not the American Left which is just corruption and bureaucracy.
     
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    What do you think a new DNC candidate will do that Biden won't? The trajectory the country is perfectly fine with the DNC.
    The only one talking about change is RFK, Jr, and the DNC has called for a media black out of him.
    Biden wants to stop virtually all oil drilling, thus bringing the American workforce to its knees. Our most valuable economic asset is the oil and gas energy to do things.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would more ecological if instead of building houses we lived in already existing caves.

    On the downside there aren't all that many of them and it would not be kind to the bears to get them to leave.

    Maybe people who haven't worked out yet what they are trying to do,
    should not get voted into power before they have a clear explanation
    in detail of what they are planning to do, something a bit more detailed
    than just 'reduce our CO2 output' and accept 'there are 150 sexes'.

    And 'ship 70 million dollars of weapons and other things to Ukraine
    and then see what happens'.
     
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    How good is the DNC at choosing candidates?

    The only thing that matters to a political party is whether or not a candidate can win. The choice has nothing at all to do with talent, ability or experience. The voters get bad candidates because of this. Fame, a pretty face or pretty words are what seem to matter to voters. So the political parties give them that. It is the basic weakness in our style of democracy. The rest of the world does it better by having voters choose a party and letting the party worry about the talent, ability and experience. One in power good governance is important to the political party and fame, pretty faces and pretty words don't ensure that. In other words we ask the public to choose people and the other democracies ask the public to choose an ideology.
     
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    [QUOTE="Izzy, post: 1074434521, member: 127014"

    COULD JOE DROP OUT?


    [/QUOTE]

    If he doesn't, the DNC will usher him out. He won't be on the ballot. It is a sure loss for the democrats if he is on it.
     
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    It’s faulty thinking to believe that Congress would keep Sanders from taking the country to full bore communism, especially of the Democrats control Congress. Most Democrats want a socialist system because that would keep most all of them in office for life.

    I don’t know what is so attractive about Bernie Sanders. All I see is a mean old man who spent his honeymoon in Moscow when the Russians were almost as bad as they are today. He’s a hypocrite who has spent his time in public life grabbing money for his wife and himself. As usual it’s capitalism for “the big cheese” and socialism for the underlings they rule. Sanders is up three or four residences including lakefront property. He’s a hypocritical phony. He’s no different from the Soviet leaders he admired in his youth.
     
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    When the nominated Senate candidate is preferred by the electorate to the other Party's nominee, and a fractured Party chooses a House Speaker it quickly dumps with no replacement in the offing, the advantage of a coherent, consistent, unified Party is glaringly obvious.
     
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    Sorry I am not a fan of monolithic, unified parties like the Nazis, Fascists and Communists. I find the near perfect unity within the Democrat Party disturbing. Their unified vote to oust Kevin McCarthy was disappointing. Nancy Pelosi, who was not there because she was at the Feinstein funeral, told McCarthy she would voted against that. It was a vote for chaos, not something positive.

    And, as I have posted previously, I would love to see Matt Gates (insult intended) kicked out of Congress.
     
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    They don't need to be good at picking candidates if they can simply steal elections.
    Interesting, until the DNC stepped in, he couldn't win a primary.
    Tucker did a good piece regarding what an empty suit whore and puppet Biden is and he believed the DNC could not be cynical enough to want him to which he then added, but of course they could be that cynical.
     
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    Anarchists prefer the Republican Party's chaos to actual governance, of course.
     
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    We have nothing in common, so there is nothing to debate. Differences of opinion within a political party is forbidden in your world. That is the Stalinist approach.
     
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    Of course, differences always exist, but reasonable people can accommodate those differences and still function.

    If you are offering the current Republican chaos in the House as your paradigm of ideal governance, that is truly bizarre.
     
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    I am not calling it "ideal" at all. Didn't you read my post? I want Matt Gate's political head. I want him out of public office, and he is a Republican. Are there any Democrats, you would to see gone?

    What I am saying is that the Democrats did not vote in block years ago. There were public differences between members of the party. Now they all vote together.

    I find that disturbing. Let's say I disagreed with a Republican and wanted him or her out. Years ago I could have voted for the Democrat. Now voting for the Democrat is the same as voting for the Democrat leadership which is led by the far left. Voting for a Democrat from my Congressional district is the same as voting for Hakeem Jeffers because that person will vote with him at least 98% of the time if not 100%.
     
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    Given my support of democracy and representational government, I must respect Americans' right to elect characters like Gaetz, Santos, Taylor-Greene, Bobert, etc., even if those characters would be far from my personal preference.

    Democrats do not vote unanimously on every issue of course.
     
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    BS. They do on every issue that counts.

    And some of the time, when they don't, they have to get permission from the leadership the do it. The reason was, the leadership had a enough votes to pass what they wanted, and they didn't need that representative's vote. Therefore that person could vote in a way that pleased people in their district even though the vote was meaningless.
     
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    Despite your contempt for the Democratic Party's philosophical consistency and relative cohesion, House Republicans achieve nothing for Americans by their chaotic impotence.

    Just ask Mitch McConnell (R).
     
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    people in this thread still do not understand how candidates file for office, or how political parties recruit prospective candidates to file for office. Its actually important to understand how the 50 different systems in the 50 different states go about selecting candidates to put on either their primary or general election ballots.

    Neither the DNC nor the RNC 'choose' candidates. If you are going to promote a false conspiratorial narrative involving the influence of political parties, at least pick the right institutional villains and the impactful collusion happens at the state or local level.
     
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    It does not matter how the Democrats select their candidates, once they get to Washington, they consistently vote the same. Those who deviate from the party orthodoxy to any extent, are ridden out of the party. Look at Joe Mansion. He is the most independent Democrat, and the party leadership despises him.

    If you vote for a Democrat to send to Washington, you are voting for the Democrat leadership. It matters not if Democrat policies hurt your region, you Democrat senator or representative will be obligated to vote against your interests.
     
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    I agree...those on the left dont want Biden and those on the right don't want trump..

    BUT

    most people learn at some point in their life the below lesson ..

    you dont get want you want...you get what you get ..

    I want to win the lottery tonight..but most likely I get a worthless ticket

    oh wait

    the rolling stones sang about it

    you can't always get what you want..but you get what you need
     

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