How Indonesia plans to increase electric vehicle uptake and become a regional manufacturing hub

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/how-indonesia-plans-to-increase-ev-uptake/103227192

I keep saying America will not lead this change - it will be Asia but if America is not very very careful it will end up out in the cold and way behind the EV revolution. There is also a bit of interest here in this becoming successful too

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-15/how-indonesia-plans-to-increase-ev-uptake/103227192

Looks like the lithium from our mines might be going straight to Indonesia. But underpinning this is more than concern for global warming. Too many Asian cities are choking on fumes from ICE cars and are looking at ways to cut not just co2 but all emissions

 

Out in the cold?

More like, so what?

 

Again the bottom line is will ye or nil ye the EV revolution is coming. Certainly Asia will move toward EVs if for no other reason than improvement of local air quality. America either joins or is left behind because America is no longer the biggest world market and can no longer dictate world trends

 

America likely won't join because EVs are inherently technically inferior. And from a regulatory standpoint, America is the most strict.

The whole rest of the world can shoot itself in the foot and ban ICE, but that will just make American stuff more popular.

 

Indonesia has over 285 million people and sits next to Malaysia Singapore and other heavily populated Asian countries - we are talking market share here- global market share.

 

I've never known any automaker that worries about global market share. Any more than they worry about electric bikes.

 

Lols! In that case you have never really known any automakers
This is so impactful statistica has it listed lols!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/316786/global-market-share-of-the-leading-automakers/

 

Except for a niche role as local runabouts, most EV's will probably follow crypto currency into the history of expensive failures.

 

You must be kidding. You do realize I've been an automotive engineer for 35 years?

Now who are these idiots statistica?

 

Three was some stats out a while back that a large

A fairly large number of EV owners also own gas vehicles for longer trips. Since the EV owner demo tends to be upper middle class, at least, it's a great solution for them; they get their climate catastrophe rooter points and still have reasonable transportation for vacation drives, etc.
Probably not an option for lower and lower middle classer, however.

 

Hmmm. Let’s look at reality instead of the rainbows and unicorns.

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/08/c...urn-even-more-fossil-fuel-for-green-tech/amp/

Indonesia cutting emissions by producing EVs? LOL. Indonesia just happens to be the largest exporter of coal (Australia being number two) as well as ramping up domestic use.

Yep, the US better get on the ball and be more like Indonesia. SMH.

 

Indonesia is also looking to transition to more geothermal

https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/an-overview-of-indonesias-geothermal-energy-sector/

https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/indonesias-coming-geothermal-boom/

 

Sure. It’s like me eating 2 boxes of snack cakes and washing them down with 2 liters of Pepsi and saying it’s healthy because I took a multivitamin this morning and plan on getting a gym membership sometime in the future.


https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/indonesia/

And that doesn’t even count the fact Indonesia exports HALF the world’s total coal exports. Much of it to China to power new coal power plants there to “fuel” EVs.

Saving the planet one virtue signal at a time. Coal powered cars.

 

Gee wouldn’t it be good if there was an international treaty to give countries like Indonesia incentives to go green?? / sarcasm

 

Ummm…like the JETP referenced in both our links?

 

An international treaty that isn't an actual treaty with agreed serious enforcement mechanisms. If I recall, it's actually called an "accord", not a treaty. Because it isn't. It's just income redistribution writ large.

Trump walked away from it and he can do it again.

Good luck trying to hold anybody's feet to the fire over it.

 

The US government and other nations including the EU are providing financial and other incentives to Indonesia to cut coal use for grid power. Indonesia takes that money and technology and then just builds new coal generation plants off grid that are dedicated to smelters etc.

Folks like Bowerbird only hear one half or less of the story and believe Indonesia is decreasing emissions. That’s the danger of only consuming information from one biased source. It’s better to study both sides of an issue to get all the relevant facts.

 

And why wouldn't they? If somebody would pay me a bunch of money to join the IPCC I'd be in in an instant.

 

Yeh, it’s all about money and power. If it was about the environment it wouldn’t be silly games like Indonesia and Australia are playing.

 

More like the Paris Agreement and COP 28

 

Lols!

 

Lols!
This from the source you quoted earlier

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/12/i...U.S. is the largest,form of market-rate loans.

 

Point one from JETP.

JETP gives $20B in incentives to Indonesia. How much does the Paris Agreement and COP 28 give Indonesia?

You are unaware all these organizations are interconnected, right?

 

I said INCENTIVES. Not GRANTS. English Bowerbird.

The “just” part is just in the name. I’ve never claimed it’s actually just. It’s destroying the lives of locals etc.

You are falling for more rainbow and unicorn talk.

 

And you think it’s funny. If you had a working knowledge of what’s going on you wouldn’t think it’s funny. It’s destroying rainforests, ocean life, spewing CO2 and particulates and you think it’s progress.