How Israel will be destroyed

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  1. Marlowe

    Marlowe New Member

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    It'll be destroyed without one shot being fired.

    ( I'm not ashamed to admit its something I'm looking forward to - Coz of its narrow minded /arrogant - Zionist policies are on a self-destructive course )

    Without a peace agreement, the future is clear: The Palestinians will so outnumber the Jews that Israel will be forced to give them the vote; the first bill to pass in a Palestinian-majority parliament will change the country's name from Israel to Palestine, and the second bill will be a Palestinian 'Law of Return.'

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    "Israel needs the Palestinian state to come into existence even more than the Palestinians do. Without it, Israel cannot continue as both a Jewish and a democratic state. If Israel doesn't reach a two-state settlement with the Palestinians very soon, then one day - likely sooner rather than later - the Jewish state as we know it will cease to exist. And it will be our fault (I say "our" because as a Jew, though not an Israeli, nothing matters more to me than Israel's survival).


    Sergio DellaPergola, the Hebrew University professor of Population Studies and the world's leading authority on Jewish and Israeli demographics, has concluded that already today there is no Jewish majority in the areas including Israel, the West Bank and Gaza (as long as Israel controls Gaza's airspace and sea space, it is still considered as controlling that territory in the eyes of the world).

    According to DellaPergola’s projections, the Palestinian birthrate outpaces the Jewish birthrate by far, meaning that the Arab majority between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will gradually become more and more significant. Can Israel survive as a Jewish state when Jews become a minority in their own homeland?

    I have raised this issue with some of the highest officials in the current Israeli government and they repeatedly attempt to assure me that the rapidly growing Palestinian population in no way threatens Israel's survival. As one of them put it to me, "There is no one in Israel in their right mind who would annex or incorporate any of the Palestinian population in the West Bank, so these numbers and projections are not right.”

    Such thinking is misguided. How can one assume that once the Palestinians living under Israeli rule outnumber Israeli Jews they will continue to accept their disenfranchisement? I say to Israelis who hear this argument and react defensively, arguing that Israel's treatment of the Arabs has been mild in comparison with their treatment in other countries, and that the world has unfairly targeted Israel for criticism: This argument is irrelevant.
    The real problem is not international discrimination against Israel, odious as it is. The real problem is that even if the international community stops censuring Israel for its control of the West Bank, that has no bearing on the simple fact that Israel cannot rule indefinitely over a society where the majority of its residents are non-citizens and resentful about their non-equal status. The more the number of Palestinians living under Israeli rule will be greater than the number of Jews, so it will be impossible to deny them full civil rights.

    If Israel doesn't find a way to make an agreement now, the future is clear. The day will come when Palestinians so outnumber Jews that Israel will be forced to give them the vote. When the Israeli parliament has a majority of Palestinian delegates, I suspect that the first bill to pass will be to change the country's name from Israel to Palestine, a name that will reflect the political and cultural background of most of the country's citizens. And the second bill will be a mirror image of the Israeli "Law of Return," only this time it will be a bill that will enable the descendants of the original Palestinian refugees to move to Israel/Palestine. Israel as we know it will cease to exist.

    All this can be averted. Abu Mazen and the Palestinian Authority want to make a deal with Israel. While many Israelis refuse to acknowledge this, I know from over 50 meetings with Abu Mazen that his advocacy of a peaceful resolution is utterly sincere. What the Palestinians want is a state of their own, alongside Israel. And public opinion polls conducted in Israel as recently as last month have repeatedly confirmed that between 70 to 80 percent of Israelis would support a peace deal that includes the establishment of a demilitarized Palestinian state, with borders that are based on the 1967 lines with equal land swaps, as well as the settlement of Palestinian refugees in the new Palestinian state rather than in Israel. The land swaps would allow the annexation of the large settlement blocs - home to the vast majority of Israelis living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem - which would be incorporated into Israel’s new, internationally–recognized borders, negating the need for their evacuation.

    But as much as the Palestinian Authority wants a state, they are currently part of a diminishing number of Palestinians who believe in a two-state solution. If Israel doesn't deal with the Palestinian Authority and help them establish a state now, the Palestinians will soon stop agitating for one. They will choose to remain stateless, and simply wait for their population to grow. Their numbers will grow and that is precisely why the Jewish state won't survive. It will be destroyed without one shot being fired.

    Since the Holocaust, we Jews have wanted to believe that our survival depends totally on ourselves, and no Jews want to believe this more than Israelis. David Ben Gurion, Israel's founding prime minister, was fond of saying, "What matters is not what the gentiles say but what the Jews do." Israel certainly needs to remain militarily the strongest country in the Middle East, one which is stronger than all of her neighbors combined.

    But that is not enough. Israel needs one other thing as well. It needs a neighboring state of Palestine in order for Israel to survive. And if we Jews don't understand that, and don't act on that understanding now, perhaps the Jewish people will survive, but the Jewish state won't.

    S. Daniel Abraham, a leading American entrepreneur and the founder of the Center for Middle East Peace (Washington), has been engaged in private diplomacy for over the past two decades to help bring an end to the Arab-Israeli conflict.


    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/how-...without-one-shot-being-fired.premium-1.492271

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  2. Face. Your

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    Abject (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nonsense there is absolutely no reason why Israel would ever be forced to grant the vote to the enemy peoples residing in the disputed territories the assertion is backed by nothing but the authors own fantasies of Israels destruction which the Arab propagandists and far left shills have been clamoring for and predicting for generations.
     
  3. Marlowe

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    I don't think its "fantasies" The author is not an Arab propagandist or far left shill , he is :

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    IMO - a man with a name and who's far more knowledgeable about Israeli political situation than someone using a daft moniker - "Face, your " on a forum.:roll:


    Read and learn :

    http://centerpeace.org/s-daniel-abraham/

    extract : "Mr. Abraham has strong ties to Israel, which he expresses through deep personal involvement and commitment. In 1989, Mr. Abraham and the late Utah Congressman Wayne Owens established the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace, which works with leaders and policy makers in the U.S. and Middle East to promote a just and comprehensive resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.



    In the course of Mr. Abraham’s travels, he became convinced that Israel’s greatest security would come from peace with its neighbors, and this spurred his efforts to support the peace process. He is a close friend of many top leaders in the United States, Israel, and throughout the Middle East, and through those personal channels has worked tirelessly over the past two decades to help bring an end to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Mr. Abraham’s tireless work in this arena prompted former President Bill Clinton to say: “When peace finally comes to the Middle East, it will be because of people like Dan Abraham.”

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    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    Evil Nazi dreams ..
     
  5. DrewBedson

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    Interesting but the birth rates of Palestinians are declining and rising for Jews so the time for this to occur might be a hundred years or more, will Palestine even exist when and if that point is reached?.
     
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    Given Abraham's theory I am at a loss as to why he would promulgate it. According to his theory he will get what he wants eventually, but only IF the Israelis don't catch on and decide to start having more children themselves. Having more children is, historically, very definitely not something that people need lots of encouragement to do under any circumstance, so why is he telling the Israelis that the only way to preserve themselves is to do that very thing? :confusion:
     
  7. Marlowe

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    Wishful thinking again.

    How about supporting your stupid notions with facts from reliable sources ?

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  8. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This has been this has been the Islamic intent for decades, but not only for a majority Muslim vote in Israel but throughout the world. The Muslims are always told to have more and more children for political gain, without any concern towards the welfare of those children. :disbelief:
     
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    Oh horse manure.. you don't know any Muslims or what they think.
     
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    But you do! Introducing yourself as a Christian here... ROLFMAO

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    How about <NETUREI KARTA> as a SUPER RELIABLE source.
     
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    Israel will either let the West Bank become a seperate Arab state, or Israel will become an Apartheid regime.
     
  12. DrewBedson

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    "Stupid notions" huh? And from the guy who said without any proof save a hate site blog that the Nuremberg confessions were all coerced from torture .:roflol:

    Anyhow, here;

    Jewish-Arab Demography Defies Conventional &#8220;Wisdom&#8221;

    It breaks it down further if you care for numbers. Or, you can just wait for the disgraced Irving to produce a complete fabrication and post it on IHR.
     
  13. MGB ROADSTER

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    The Israeli PM said to the world - 2 states.
    It's the Palestinian Bedouins that do not want peace , they want the wound to bleed forever.
    Their hatred is the cause to their misery.
    The ONLY solution to the Middle East is Jordan for the Palestinians, Israel for the Jews !! Period !!
     
  14. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Such an unbiased source lol

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    Perhaps you would like to argue this with Drew
     
  15. DrewBedson

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    Sorry, couldn't find any Yemeni sources who give a hoot about Israeli and Palestinian demographics. If you have difficulties with any of the facts, they cite where they came from so you too can write your own article using the raw figures. I'm sure your article you write will be very "unbiased."

    :roflol:
     
  16. Marlowe

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    Surprise - Surprise !:roll: You should know , like most , that Yemen is not amongst the most developed of countries and hardly able to collect reliable demographic statistics.

    Before accusing others of being biased you should first of all
    examine your own entrenched "pro_Zionist " stance.

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  17. DrewBedson

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    Golly, thought you would supply what you considered were the 'real figures' rather than saying mine were incorrect because you didn't like the source. At least, that's what I do when you attempt to use your Neo Nazi sites to 'revise' world history.
     
  18. litwin

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    BS, why do you think Israel builds the new settlements? they are limiting living space for the Arabs and Israel will never give vote right to west bank , Gaza
     
  19. Gilos

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    It will declare its own borders before or after Palestinians will do it, to think Israel will let WB and Gaza to vote as Israeli citizens is crazy like expecting Israel to retreat 67 lines without an agreement.

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    There are no new settelments, the expension you read about are new homes in existing settelments, most in Jerusalem.
     
  20. litwin

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    eastern ? even if its so its hot spot for everyone on this planet and because of this west bank´s development is in check,
     
  21. Gilos

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    Yes, it is a hotspot but I can't imagine Jerusalem will be part of an agreement so Israelis dont see building there as a forbidden thing, retreat, by agreement or as one sided move will be from the deeper parts of the WB.
     
  22. litwin

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    whats a problem? why both sides can not reach an agreement?
     
  23. Gilos

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    IMO, ego and honor, for Palestinians to accept 67 lines or around that will mean accepting defeat, they fought against 48 lines so 67 will be a betrayal, then you have Jerusalem issue, refugees issue and more

    Israelis dont trust the Palestinians will be peacful at 67 lines but it will bring the conflict much closer to Israel metropolis for sure, I dont see an agreement on Jerusalem and no Israeli will ever accept Millions of Muslim refugees into Israel so I think that's enough to say the conflict will never be over.
     
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    The Bible clearly states that only the Messiah can reestablish the Kingdom. Therefore, since "Israel" [sic] was created by bigoted haters it will be destroyed by that same Messiah.
     
  25. litwin

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    sorry , but i see the Israelis are working against peaceful solution not P.. unconditional support rooted your normally peaceful behavior and killed your self-preservation instinct
     

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