How Long Before The Pretext Of American Democracy Is Dropped?

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  1. frodo

    frodo New Member

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    When do we finally acknowledge that the rich own the legislatures?

    The 99% have no say at all.
     
  2. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Two things wrong with your assertions.

    * Rich don't own the legislatures; its the people who vote for these legislators, and not all of them are rich save for people like John F. Kerry.

    * We don't have an American democracy; we live in a Republic, perhaps you being a foreigner wouldn't have known that.
     
  3. DeathStar

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    Spoken like a true tyrannical Republican who denies the existence of The Establishment, or as I'd rather call it, The Big Collusion, or maybe, just GovNess (since the Big Collusion is a collusion between Big Government and Big Business).
     
  4. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    I was reading your sig statement of those newest hate groups and couldn't figure out if there's anyone left for you to fall in love with. Usually people that are as confused as you seem to be, have a hard time relating to life in general. The term sociopath comes to mind.
     
  5. DeathStar

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    Well I do hate the human race as a whole, but I'm not a sociopath because there are a few individuals that I do care about.

    However, what my sig basically says is that I'm against two major things: crony capitalism and loudmouthed dickheads.
     
  6. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Well then I nailed it, you are a sociopath or a psychopath with you hating the human race as a whole.

    I have a deep seated love for at least 3/4 of the people in America who call themselves Christians, and a less then deep seated love for the rest of them.
     
  7. DeathStar

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    I'm not a sociopath, but maybe I am somewhat a psychopath. I would eat most peoples' brain matter on a sandwich if I could get away with it.

    Cool. Then you are crazy and also shamelessly, blatantly lying, but cool.
     
  8. kenrichaed

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    The rich have always owned the legislature. The founding fathers were themselves very rich for the most part so I would say that we are just staying true to how we were when this country was founded. Your implying that we've slipped from some grandiose point in time when everyone was happy and the government was for the people.

    We've never had that.
     
  9. SiliconMagician

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    The House and the Supreme Court protect the People.

    The rest is for the rich. That is why its called "the Great Compromise"
     
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    Well I agree with you pretty much but was just bringing up the point that what we are experiencing today is far from anything new. Even Jefferson knew that you would never be able to limit influence on legislators as that would go against the actual point of the Constitution. He spoke quite in depth about how people in government would form groups based on their own values and how it was pointless to try to limit that.

    "I acknowledge the right of voluntary associations for laudable purposes and in moderate numbers. I acknolege too the expediency, for revolutionary purposes, of general associations, coextensive with the nation. But where, as in our case, no abuses call for revolution, voluntary associations so extensive as to grapple with & controul the government, should such be or become their purpose, are dangerous machines, and should be frowned down in every regulated government. Here is one proposed to comprehend all the functionaries of the government executive, legislative & Judiciary, all officers of the army or navy, governors of the states, learned institutions, the whole body of the clergy who will be 19/20 of the whole association, and as many other individuals as can be enlisted for 5. D. apiece. For what object? One which the government is pursuing with superior means, superior wisdom, and under limits of legal prescription. And by whom? A half dozen or dozen private individuals, of whom we know neither the number nor names, except of Elias B. Caldwell their foreman, Jedediah Morse of Ocean memory their present Secretary & in petto their future agent, &c. These clubbists of Washington, who from their residence there will be the real society, have undertaken to embody even the government itself into an instrument to be wielded by themselves and for purposes directed by themselves. Observe that they omit the PresidentÂ’s name, and for reasons too flimsy to be the true ones. No doubt they have proposed it to him, and his prudence has refused his name. And shall we suffer ourselves to be constituted into tools by such an authority? Who, after this example, may not impress us into their purposes?"

    http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1311453
     
  11. skeptic-f

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    So Silicon Magician, whose every post says that the educated rich deserve as much as possible and all other Americans can eat their garbage, suddenly suggests that Congress and the Supreme Court are going to protect all Americans? Is S&M being disingenuous or is he really that schizophrenic?
     

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