How many members would like a firearms discussion area

I voted yea,but it don't matter to me one way or the other. we still talk a lot and guns and shooting here. Sounds like to me some others would prefer us to take all gun talk, to another forum.

 

Well perhaps there could be several Sub-Forums as there is a Forum specific to discussing Gun Control but why not a Sub-Forum specific to Gun Enthusiasts.

Also perhaps a forum specific to Weapon use and Techniques.

Example....most people aim with one eye shut...I do not.

For whatever reason I am a crack shot that uses both eye's when aiming.

Now you have to keep your weapon centered and you have to get used to the turning of one side of your face which changes eye distance one way or the other to target....and with a scope I can only use one eye.

But if I am Trick Shooting as I can throw a quarter in the air and put a .22 round right through it....I use two eye aiming.

If I am hunting with shotgun and I am firing #6 Shot at a Pheasant from my 12 Gauge because I have practiced shooting with all my weapons my brain automatically calculates the lead time and lead distance if the Pheasant is flying at any angle to the left or right either flying away from me or toward me....and I can very quickly either lead the flying bird with my shotgun and fire or I can even select a spot and fire right at this spot where I know the bird will be as my mind already knows how far and fast the #6 Shot will go and be at the same moment the bird will also be there.

My Dad taught me this as he explained that when one hunts flying game or is shooting at Clay Doves or Pidgeons a person can lead the bird flying with the end of the shotgun by a distance and follow through with your movement as you pull the trigger.....or if a person really KNOWS by practice the distance a specific shell load of a specific shot be it 00 or #4 or #6...etc...or be it a Slug....then that person will be able to know where the shot ot slug will be after specific milisecond time passage.

Trick Shooters do this as they don't AIM....their mind calculates the time it will take the round to hit a target that is moving and then through muscle memory using the smallest possible movements....be able to hit other moving targets in the air.

Now I can't shoot a hole through 5 quarters thrown in the air...but I have done it with 2....and I have nicked many a 3rd quarter...so I am still working on it!!

AboveAlpha

 

But Ron, a gun discussion section would be about... well discussing firearms. That's something you don't do.

 

when I was a top ranked ISU style skeet shooter and trained at or with AMU and the USOTC, everyone shot with both eyes open. Same when I was a USPSA circuit shooter and now a steel speed shooter. When I shot NRA small bore, ISU air rifle or "Field Crossbow" i used a flip down blinder over my non shooting eye. I cannot conceive of shooting at moving targets with one eye

 

nothing stopping a gun discussion in this section.

 

However you don't discuss them. You might consider starting or just not commenting on the sections that don't involve gun control.

 

naaa....I don't respond to bullying.

 

It wasn't bullying, it was request to not be a troll, to stay on topic and not be disruptive to the thread.

 

you mean like not asking someone what kind of gun they have, again and again and again?

 

its a legitimate question when everyone else who claims to be a gun owner actually responds to the questions. You see, I know lots and lots about guns and if someone claims to own a certain type of gun, I can ask questions that if actually answered, will tell those of us who really do own guns, whether the poster is telling the truth.

 

i don't respond to pestering, which is why I have only given details to someone who hasn't pestered me about what kind of gun I own.

 

perhaps you should define "pestering". I note everyone else who was asked didn't find it to be pestering. But lets get back to the thread.
I'd like a section where people who actually own guns and are willing to talk about what they own being in a position to inform those seeking advice about certain brands or types of firearms based on their experience

 

I've been thinking about this thread; esp. when I go to other "gun only" forums. The difference here is that the guys who think they know something are fewer and farther between here. People seem to think a bit more here than the kind who like to clamor around the gun counter at Walmart.
On this forum, I've noticed that photos are much less frequent than the more gun purist forums. The script is different here, but I've found that I can use the same tags for the same results as I get on other forums I don't know why this site doesn't do it that way, because the method I use doesn't stress the forum server.

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Ron wishes he knew enough to make his gun look and shoot like this one.

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BTW- I know that's not really .218", but it's closer than any other bulk ammo I've tried!

 

volquartsen barrel?

 

Psha! This is my only snob barrel. It's the Shilen 22" varmint contour. Yes, they ARE that hard to install, and you'd have to destroy the receiver to get it back off.

 

that was my second guess

 

The fun of a firearms discussion area is that there are so many niches in shooting. My "next most built" 10/.22 is this one:

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It's based on a CRR, with a Green Mtn. 20" stainless, fluted "sporter" contour barrel. The action is bedded, and the barrel floated, with my trigger work. Part of the things we do to make ourselves feel smart with a 10/.22 is in finding the right location and size for the barrel pressure point. JB Weld is amazing stuff. The whole object to this exercise is to try different kinds of ammo in the different builds, and see wut happens. The Federal load #711B was being hotly discussed at one time, so I tried it with this rifle:

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As anyone knows who actively builds for accuracy, there's a point of diminishing returns, where small improvements get a lot more expensive. This rifle cost about $300 less than the first one, and it's 3 lbs. easier to carry. It's as accurate as a .22 carbine could ever need to be, but that's not the point.

 

Neither can I.....eye eye!! LOL!!!

But I also shoot at an Indoor Range at a Local Fish and Game using Hadgun's inside and I shoot with BOTH EYE'S OPEN!!

Now this works for me because I am a crack shot but I have had many guy's over the years tell me to use one eye until they saw I could outshoot them! LOL!!

A Family Member had the contract to rebuild S&W and we would go in after hours and this place has underground tunnels and ranges like you would not believe!!

I saw and shot all sorts of experimental designs and even some very old designs with 3 barrels and to this day my absolutely most favorite Handgun to shoot and I believe it to be without a doubt the most accurate is a S&W .357 Magnum Revolver as you can use either .357 Magnum Rounds or .38 Rounds but when using the .357 Magnum Rounds the handgun when fired pulls up and then settles right back down to target so smooth it is amazing!!

It's penetration power is off the chart and I can shoot targets at RIFLE DISTANCES with this handgun!!!

If you were a top ranked ISU style skeet shooter then you must use the method I use that being able to have your mind calculate instantly the distance the shotgun load will travel and the time it will take to travel there.

My ability to do this I think was greatly helped by my training and practicing with THROWING KNIVES with both my Dad and Mom as well as throwing Hatchets, Axes and Darts as it begins to train a kid's mind specific to MUSCLE MEMORY as well as VELOCITY OF WHAT IS BEING THROWN.

When I used rifle and shotgun it was just a further extention as training with your guns and getting to know in your mind how much distance a specific Shell Load will travel or how much will wind velocity at angle effect your shot...well it just get's into your head early as a kid and you don't forget it and even if you use a different weapon after a short period of time you will just KNOW!

As example.....using one of my favorite Pump 12 Gauge Shotguns with a Modified Choke and Ventilated Rib....I will KNOW the time differential between firing #4 Shot in a 3 inch shell and firing #4 in a 3 1/2 inch shell.

I also using a .308 with scope....at a target at 1500 Feet....on a Humid Day compared to a dry day....I will KNOW exactly how many inches more the round will drop on a Humid Day.

My current favorite Assault Rifle is the Barrett REC7 using the 6.8mm Remington SPC (6.8×43mm) cartridge which gives you 44% more kinetic energy than the 5.56 mm round at ranges of 100 to 200 meters and a longer effective range at five hundred meters and has a muzzle velocity of 2650 feet per second when fired from a 16 inch barrel.

AboveAlpha

 

Hey Joe.....have you heard of that new .22 Custom Shotgun Burst Round?

Now they have had these forever as I used to use them as a kid but they came out with a .22 round that literally senses the air compression between the round and the target as with any high velocity round you get air in front of the round that pushes air infront of the air before the traveling nose or round point.

Like an aircraft before it breaks the sound barrier the air collumn in front of the round keeps on pilling up until it goes Supersonic or does not and this drag slows down the round and shortens the range.

I heard about this new .22 round but I did not get a chance to read all about it so I was wondering if you knew anything about it?

Evidentally this .22 round senses the target somehow due to the collumn of air in front of the round impacting the target and this evidentally somehow opens up the front of the .22 round explosively and drives small BB's in 90 degree angle with BB's 45 degrees on either side of dead center of the round in a cone being propelled outward and forward at a faster rate than the .22 round.

Heard of these?

AboveAlpha

 

Where do you get these stories? I wonder what these little shot particles are made of, and how effective they can be, when the whole payload in a .22LR is only around 40 gr. I would think that penetration would be very minimal.
As for the 6.8 SPC, I've read that the SEALS have found them to be much more effective in CQB and the like, but for longer range, they're not what some would claim. The reason being that there's a pretty fine balance between max. bullet weight and the velocity that can be attained. Because the bullets have to be relatively short, (Max. bullet weight around 140 gr.) you can't attain as high a BC as you can with a comparable load in 6.5 Grendel, so the Grendel wins for longer range performance, out to 800 yards.
I recently read this little story:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/bell_elephants.htm
It's about W.D.M. Bell, who shot 1,011 elephants in his career, and preferred to use a 6.5 or 7mm Mauser cartridge! That puts smaller calibers into a whole different perspective.

 

I suspect the cartridge that took the most elephants was the 303 British round given that those rifles were all over Africa due to British colonization of places like Kenya and of course in South Africa

 

The .303 gets credit for a whole bunch of killing. In one o' them gun forums, there was a question posed, asking what was the most lethal round in military history. Consider that at the height of WW1, we were making 18 million rounds of .30'06 every day. More recently, the AK47 has found its' way onto a flag (Rwanda?).
But the Brits stayed very busy for a long time in India and Africa, and the machine guns on their attack aircraft fired .303 in WW2.

 

The 9.3 X 62 was probably the most prolific elephant smokeless powder cartridge. The 303 is not a good penetrating cartridge. WDM Bell used a 7mm Mauser but his favorite was the 318 Westley Richards.

 

I know that but I am merely citing reality. Lots and lots of people killed elephants with 303 because they were plentiful. we are not talking about well heeled American or European sportsman on safari but Boer farmers and Kenyan cattle herders/ Boers were known to kill elephant with the Webley revolvers. The tactic was to hide near a watering hole and shoot the elephant at close range in the knee. Then when the elephant was crippled the second shot was through the ear

 

Probably not. Jumbo, especially in that day and age would congregate around a wounded member. You're just not going to isolate one and expect to stay alive in the process. In the era of the transition from black powder to nitro ( smokeless ) a lot of the hunting would be on horseback. Single and double paradox weapon in "gauge" calibers would have been commonly used in black or nitro to black cartridges. The 450 double nitro would have changed all of that but the old paradox guns would have been used commonly till WW1. The 9.3 Mauser changed all that. The 303 is just a horrible elephant cartridge. Some of the guys would have dared to used a 264 Mannlicher Schoenauer that had the sectional density for brain shots. After WW1, especially for the professionals in places like the Lado Enclave, the big double nitro's in 45 and 47 would have reigned supreme.