Yes, it is totally impossible to "isolate the Chinese". In fact, that is not what anyone actually wants. I was going to ask who it is that you see as witches, so let me know.
You introduced the term "witch hunt." I think the Chinese and their enablers qualify as witches in the COVID context. They can be isolated sufficiently to feel pain.
No, such methods are not going to be used. We have numerous differences with China. We're not going to cut off trade or do whatever else we can think of on every occasion of there being a difference or perceived transgression. Besides, we had Trump!! He tried that and it was a total cluster that hit our own economy. Besides, what we DO NEED is cooperation. The past is the past. What the US (and the world) needs is a coordinated, quality approach for the next time. You don't earn cooperation by shoving a stick in their eye.
The Chinese operate in bad faith. That makes cooperation impossible. No one has less regard for Trump than I do, but our economy flourished during his term.
We absolutely DO cooperate with China on various topics that are FAR more important than that lab that studies SARS. For example we made this highly significant trade deal with China in 2020: https://www.fas.usda.gov/topics/chi...ted States,services, and currency and foreign The problem with poking China in the eye on COVID is that it is absolutely COUNTER to our own interests and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain.
China is already in default. WASHINGTON, Feb 1 (Reuters) - China has failed to meet its commitments under a two-year "Phase 1" trade deal that expired at the end of 2021, and discussions are continuing with Beijing on the matter, Deputy U.S. Trade Representative Sarah Bianchi said on Tuesday.Feb 1, 2022 U.S. trade official says China failed to meet 'Phase 1 ... - Reuters
Cooperation between governments that refuse to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth would probably be more dangerous than the random lies generated by them independently.
This is something that someone would need to prove. Yet, today there is no such evidence. Beyond that, science is built in a manner that makes coercion from the top incredibly difficult if not totally impossible. There is no mechanism for world wide control of results. That's especially true with broad fields, such as climatology. The reason is that large numbers of fields of science are involved. There is no way for any of these different components to be coordinated to cause a result dictated by politics. For example, it can't be decided what atmospheric chemistry must be in order to conform to a particular warming level that politicians want. Not even those studying atmospheric chemistry can know that.
The Inconvenient Truth: Communists governments, like all authoritarian dictatorships are very coercive. Alas. “But the jarring fact that Chinese scientists can allegedly still be trampled – in this case seemingly quite literally – by an unscrupulous Communist Party official who apparently went unpunished for weeks has sparked a mixture of anger, disappointment and shame. According to the state media report, Zhang Tao, the party secretary and chairman of China Aerospace Investment Holdings, an investment arm of CASC, attacked the two scientists after they refused his request to be recommended for membership of the International Academy of Astronautics, a Stockholm-based non-governmental organization. Wu Meirong, 85, suffered a fractured spine, while 55-year-old Wang Jinnian had several broken ribs and soft tissue injuries all over his body. Both remained in hospital a month after the attack, while Zhang had been “going to work as usual,” according to the report." CNN, Alleged attack on prominent scientists casts shadow on China’s space walk triumph, By Nectar Gan and Jessie Yeung, CNN, Updated 4:44 AM EDT, Mon July 5, 2021. (emphasis mine) https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/05/china/china-scientists-attacked-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
The future is looking grim for China and its people, but the CCP can probably survive an economic collapse. The CCP has tried to perfect state capitalism and with some success, but in the end central power (planners) tend eventually to find ways to ruin any economy. “The headline news this weekend came from Country Garden Holdings, one of the largest and previously most stable real estate developers in the country. It missed a debt payment, and now faces the risk of a default. The company said it had underestimated the market downturn and is now confronting the largest challenge since it was established in 1992. But that news is just the latest worrisome headline. China’s real estate woes started in 2021 after the central government intervened to limit the sector’s ballooning debt. The move backfired, however, as it led to the near-collapse of Evergrande, at that point the largest real estate developer in the country, as well as the bankruptcy of several other real estate developers, and a steep drop-off in prices.” , , Country Garden’s troubles are just the latest piece of bad news for China’s flailing economy, Peter Vanham, Nicholas Gordon, Mon, August 14, 2023 at 6:38 AM EDT·3. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/country-garden-troubles-just-latest-103848568.html The CCP did finally act to try and save small enterprises a few years ago. Not sure how that worked out. Probably not well.
This only helps define the playing field. China is incredibly hard to deal with. Our hate for China even makes it harder. And, YOUR complaints are incredibly WEAK at that, as China continues with some serious atrocities. However we share with them the problem of SARS. SARS has NOT ended. We've seen it come to America twice in our era of major travel. There is evidence of other outbreaks that were limited to small areas of China, probably simply because of being remote. There is at least one case of a small mining community where everybody died and that was the end of it. The lab at Wuhan has the world experts on SARS. They've identified tens of thousands of SARS variants, carried by a range of animals. Pretending the threat of new SARS diseases went away is unbelievably moronic. And, far too much of our time has been spent on attempts to invalidate medical science on issues that directly bear on the only tools the US has for defending our population. I'm just saying that it is in our interest to be more proactive as opposed to whining about China as we work to erode our own defenses.
Trump clearly identified China as the problem and also fanned hate for China, blaming that nation for perpetrating COVID. If we're interested in the disease potential of SARS, then the problem is how to improve our crap relationship with China, at least concerning this problem, and what we can do about moving toward cooperation.
Unfortunately too much of the research is fraudulent or corrupted by bias. Sadly it is no easy thing to minimize human bias and our lust for power and prestige.
Trump made it crystal clear that there was NO WAY that we would work with China. the USA approach was to blame COVID on the Chinese government as well as its people. He was so effective that there was a rash of hate crimes against Asians. So, you are just flat out wrong. It did not get to the point where China had anything AT ALL to do with a failure work together.
Not sure what you think I'm wrong about. China was deceitful and obstructionist independent of anything Trump may have done or not done.
Trump's moves from DAY 1 absolutely canceled any possibility of working together with China on COVID. He followed through on that throughout his presidency. Blaming that on Chain is just plain stupid. The USA did that, not China.
Either you never learned the history, or you forgot it. ". . . Just days before the U.S. recorded its first death from Covid-19, Trump touted China’s government for its transparency and hard work to defeat the coronavirus that causes the illness. . . . " 15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was ... Politico https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/04/15 › trum... Apr 15, 2020 — The president has lambasted the WHO for accepting Beijing's assurances about the outbreak, but he repeated them, as well. US ambassador calls on China to be 'more honest' about ... CNN.com https://www.cnn.com › politics › china-covid-origins-us Feb 27, 2023 — US Ambassador to China Nicholas Burns said Monday that China will have ... Wuhan with the origin of the Covid-19 crisis" if the US and China ...
These do not support your own position. They are limited to the first 2 months. https://time.com/6051414/donald-trump-wuhan-laboratory-leak/ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/us/politics/china-virus.html Trump also defunded WHO, an organization that was able to work toward an understanding of COVID sources. NO steps that Trump took with respect to China furthered American objectives of health security. His steps were centered on personal political advantage and NOTHING else.
LOL! I gave multiple cites for what I stated. And, I do NOT excuse Trump on the grounds of what he said in the first two months. His initial responses had nothing to do with the reality of fighting a pandemic and his shift to attacking China and WHO was almost immediate and defining of his approach throughout his presidency.
