How Obama Wiretapped Trump

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  1. tsuke

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    How Obama Wiretapped Trump

    The Washington Post recently came out with an article that says the DOJ states there were no documents showing that Trump Tower was wiretapped. They would like to focus on the strictest definition of what Trump said because to widen it would mean we would have to look at the biggest scandal since Watergate. At least Nixon had the shame to use criminals instead of the government.

    Why did they not ask if there were any documents showing that the Trump campaign was under surveillance? The simple answer is because it would have come up positive. Let that sink in. The administration of the Democrats had the campaign of the Republican candidate under surveillance using the powers of the government.

    Timeline

    When I first brought up the fact that Obama wiretapped Trump there were some gaps in the story which we filled in using logic. At this point the only gap that exists is whether or not Obama explicitly gave the order to wiretap the Trump campaign. Everything else has been confirmed. Here is the timeline for easy reference.

    1. During the primaries never Trumpers start work on the Steele dossier. This is then later on funded by Democrats.

    This dossier alleges that Trump watched Russian hookers pee on a bed slept in by Obama on tape and that one of Trump's associates had a meeting in Moscow, when multiple eye witnesses place him in the country at the time of that meeting, among other things.

    2. The suspect nature of the dossier did not matter. All it was needed for was to provide justification for FISA warrants for associates in the Trump campaign. There is no one to challenge it in the FISA court as only the government is represented.

    The secret FISA courts have so far rejected 9 out of 35000 requests from the government. They rejected this request twice. Obama had to shop around for another judge to approve it on their third attempt.

    3. As of now Trump campaign members are now officially under surveillance. It would have been impossible to listen in on people involved in the campaign without picking up information of political value.

    At this point it is worth noting that Trump would have been factually correct. When these members were in Trump Tower, and they were at certain points, then the people spying on them could listen to conversations inside Trump Tower.

    4.The Democrats now have the information in raw form which needs to be processed. This takes place when Susan Rice requests for the names of the American citizens in these documents to be unmasked.

    The media insists that the reason this is so is because there was a need to know who the people were for further investigation. This is false. FBI agents themselves were the ones conducting the surveillance. Administration lawyers drafted the FISA requests. They already knew who the people under surveillance were. The reason that requests for unmasking take place is so that you have a record on paper saying that this person did that instead of redacted did that.

    5. Once the names are redacted they can be used for anything. They can be used for further charges. They can be leaked to the press. They can be passed on to Clinton campaign officials.

    It is also important to remember that at this time Obama relaxed the rules of sharing between government agencies which means more people would have had access to the unmasked information.

    A Rose by Any Other Name


    I suppose it would have been more accurate to say “the obama administration abused the FISA courts to put the opposing campaign under surveillance and then used this information for political purposes in a scandal of a scale that dwarfs watergate” but that is a mouthful. Obama wiretapped Trump is much more simple, direct, and covers the essence of what happened.
     
  2. Antiduopolist

    Antiduopolist Well-Known Member

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    THAT's the big pee tape?

    Kind of a disappointment...
     
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    Yup we know the left white washes it and just uses the strictest verbatim terms on what Trump said..

    But after all we know about our government through Snowden to say team Trump was not wire tapped is laughable
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you referring to Carter Page, who did not meet with Russians in Prague?
     
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    DOJ? Department of Justice? Who is in charge at the DOJ? He should be fired because of this cover up. Who appointed him perhaps he should lose his job too.
     
  7. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you still polishing that turd?
    It was just a lying trump brain fart in the first place and everyone else on the planet already knows it's a lie.
    Give it a rest and stop embarrassing yourself.
     
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    The idea that Snowden wired trap Trump is ridiculous
     

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