How 'Occupy' went wrong

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    How 'Occupy' went wrong

    A trashed house in Brooklyn has become a symbol of a movement that failed to capitalize on popular anger

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    On Dec. 6, nearly 300 members of the Occupy Wall Street movement flooded into East New York to begin what they considered phase two of their efforts. A few weeks earlier, they had been rousted from Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park, where they had camped for three months — attracting worldwide attention and forcing politicians to take notice.

    But for all the hype, Occupy was being criticized — even from the left — for being vague in its goals. The signs railed against bailouts and the greed of the 1%, but protesters coalesced around no legislation, no candidate, no reforms. Everyone agreed that inequality is bad, but what to do about it?


    “Occupy Our Homes” was that idea. The group would take over an empty house, foreclosed on by a bank, fix it up and provide shelter to a homeless family.

    For those sympathetic to the Occupy movement, it was a brilliant strategy. Foreclosures touched almost every neighborhood in America; an estimated 1.2 million homes were repossessed in 2011. In East New York, the hardest hit in the city, the foreclosure crisis struck 16.8 homes per thousand. Occupy Our Homes would alleviate neighborhood blight, provide shelter to the poor — and put banks on the defensive.

    PHOTOS: 'OCCUPY' TRASHES B'KLYN HOME

    The atmosphere was giddy that overcast December day. A swell of people hung banners (“Foreclose on Banks, Not People”) and chanted on Vermont Street, waiting to welcome new neighbors to 702, the two-story rowhouse Occupy had taken over.

    The excitement reached a crescendo when Councilman Charles Barron (D-Brooklyn) knocked on the door, decorated with a pine wreath for Christmas, and out came the homeless man who was moving in with his family, Alfredo Carrasquillo.

    Barron raised Carrasquillo’s arm in victory.

    Last week,Wise Ahadzi opened the door to the house he still owns, 702 Vermont Street in East New York.

    Inside is a war zone. The walls are torn down, the plumbing is ripped out and the carpeting has been plucked from the floor. It’s like walking through a ribcage.

    Garbage, open food containers and Ahadzi’s possessions are tossed haphazardly around the house.

    “This is where my kitchen was,” Ahadzi says. There is no sink, no refrigerator and no counter space. Instead there are dirty dishes piled high waiting for a dip in three large buckets of putrid water that serve as the dishwashing system.

    In a first-floor bathroom, Christmas lights dangle from a shower curtain rod. The only thing separating a toilet from the elements outside is a thin veil of paper.

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    s he leaves the wreckage, Ahadzi pauses in front of a tiny Dora the Explorer chair. "Remember that?” he asks his daughter.

    This is the Occupy house, more than two months later. A scarred symbol of what the movement has become.

    Ahadzi, 28, was the man Occupy didn’t want the public to know about.He owned the Vermont house but was forced to leave in 2009 when he couldn’t make the mortgage payments to Bank of America.

    The single father knew he couldn’t raise his two girls, Kwazha, 9, and Imani, 3, with the threat of eviction hanging over him. They found a lower-cost rental in Brownsville while Ahadzi negotiated with the bank to get his house back.


    But instead of helping Ahadzi, Occupy cast Carrasquillo as the man to move in, because he was a homeless advocate some of the members knew.

    During the December event, Ahadzi was pulled aside and made assurances by Barron and others — we know your predicament, we’ll make it better.

    Ahadzi was content with that answer for a while, until it was obvious Occupy wasn’t interested in him.

    They didn’t seem interested in the house, either. In January, The Post found squatters in the house instead of the family.

    “They only stay here sometimes,” a protester explained. “There’s not enough room for the kids.”

    Ahadzi thought about calling the police, until the embarrassed Occupy movement promised him that they’d repair the house and leave.

    Two weeks have already gone by since without any progress. Occupy hasn’t even offered to pay him for the damages.

    They tore down many interior walls but did not put them back up. A neighbor said that mold corroded one wall, but a complete gutting of the house was unnecessary.

    Even in this condition, protesters are still squatting on the floors, cooking using a bunsen burner and walking around guided by candlelight when a generator is not up and running.

    Their efforts have actually made the neighborhood worse — because what used to be an empty house is now a hovel of squatters and probably should be condemned.

    Things have gotten so bad that Barron,who once praised the movement, said that Occupy has worn out its welcome.

    “The bottom line is that they have to leave,” he said.

    Neighbors, who initially welcomed the ragtag bunch into the area, now stay away. Local Doyle Coleman tried to get other homeowners on the street to participate in a street cleanup with the Occupiers, but they all just said, “I don’t want to get involved.”

    Another neighbor stood across the street from the house and shook his head, imagining how extensive the damages were inside considering the revolving cast of characters living inside. “It must be in shambles,” he said.

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    Occupy protesters like to take pride in how organic the movement is.

    Adbusters Media Foundation, a Canadian group known for an anti-consumerism magazine, is credited with coining the term “occupy” last summer, but no group wholly dictates what happens.

    Instead, Occupy gathers for General Assembly meetings held twice a week in a corner of Zuccotti Park. Members sign up to speak or pitch proposals. The crowd “twinkles their fingers” to support things or wriggles them pointing down to stand against them. Consensus is reached by a sea of dancing fingers.

    While this is socialist by design, it makes decision making difficult. The group would debate endlessly how to use the $700,000 it raised, and even when it would spend some of that money — on bail or food — it would be accused by some members of misappropriation.

    A group of 20 actually controls the money but were constantly saying they weren’t the “leaders” — more to avoid backlash from other Occupy members than anything else. When a protest becomes a live-in and not a march, meanwhile, the line between activists and freeloaders blurs.

    Zuccotti Park, and its promise of free clothes, free supplies and free meals, attracted the city’s homeless. Rumors began to spread inside the park that shelters even recommended Zuccotti’s hospitality at intake.

    Many of those freeloaders stuck with the movement long after the collapse of the encampment, because OWS has provided shelter to its members at two city churches. Until, that is, someone at a Manhattan church stole the lid of the baptismal font. The Rev. Bob Brashear told his guests that the theft was like “pissing on the 99%.”

    OWS has often hurt the same people it says it wants to help. During the Zuccotti days, a mom and pop cafe’s bathroom was ravaged and its owner was left with thousands of dollars in damages.

    The movement’s lack of leaders only made things more chaotic and confusing as the months have gone on.

    There were marches, arrests and plenty of YouTube videos of protesters getting pepper-sprayed. In the end, though, it appeared that eliciting these kind of moments—provoking the police until they overreacted — was the movement’s primary, if not only, goal.

    Occupy Wall Street will no doubt dismiss this article as just another media attack. But the truth is their initial rhetoric had more resonance than they might think— from many political leanings.

    Ask someone at a Tea Party protest if they supported the bailout of Wall Street banks. Their answer would be the same as the bandanna-wearing protester on the Brooklyn Bridge.

    The most popular book among conservatives these days is “Coming Apart,” Charles Murray’s analysis of the widening gulf between classes.

    It’s hard to find anyone who disagrees with Occupy’s prognosis of what’s wrong. A Gallup poll conducted in January found that 83% of Americans were dissatisfied with the economy. Where people differ is the solutions.

    To that end, what are Occupy’s solutions? In the New York Times Review of Books earlier this month, writer Michael Greenberg, obviously sympathetic to the movement, couldn’t contain his frustration with protesters unwillingness to get involved in issues such as the Keystone Pipeline because “it didn’t matter what laws you pass.”

    Greenberg called their goals “morally abstract, with little visceral impact." And demanding economic justice was a “vague and sweeping term that invites both personal grievances and broad interpretation”— of which Occupy has plenty.

    Since the group does not support any political candidates, Democrats are free to ignore Occupy — which many moderate members are happy to do. Without any leaders, the occupation’s small work groups and offshoots are also just too unpredictable and risky to support.

    The 2012 election, in fact, is shaping up to be the inverse of the 2010 midterms. In those congressional races, Republican candidates mostly had to embrace and praise the Tea Party movement to avoid incurring its wrath. In 2012, Democrats, especially in swing states, will likely be spending their time making sure they’re not too closely associated with the Occupiers.

    Occupy promises a return to larger protests in the spring, under the general banner of “raising awareness about inequality.”

    But is any American really unaware of inequality? Does anyone need to be told that more people need jobs, that the middle class and the poor are suffering?

    With banners and signs and slogans, Occupy “raised awareness” of the inequities of foreclosures. Then they left a wretched a house in Brooklyn, with an owner wondering who’s going to clean up the mess.

    “I’m pissed off,”Ahadzi said. “I’m trying to get my house back, and they’re trying to take it from me.”

    Occupy has shown it’s good at tearing things down. What happens if it had to fix them?

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    The first mistake was trusting the OWS Marxists. Of course, they were going to trash the house, and clean up nothing. That's who they are. If they were productive, they wouldn't be fighting for handouts.

    Who are these 20 leaders? Why won't they admit that they control the coffers? Where is the media on this story?

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    That is an amazing story and deeply sad.

    Short version for you liberals who don't read/think for yourselves.
    1. Man with two small children owns, but cannot afford house and is working with bank.
    2. During that time he moves out to rental to work with bank (saves money)
    3. Occupy and Democrat Politician swoop in and "give" house to homeless man
    4. Occupy destroys the entire inside of house... DESTROYS!
    5. Man want to move back with two small children, but house should be condemned thanks to Occupy and Democrats.
    6. Man and two small children are screwed over by Occupy and Democrat

    Fin.
     
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    Wow, score one for OWS, again. These idiots can't do anything right.

    Sad really.
     
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    And there is the reality.

    As much as the common joe wants to help, wants to make things "right" they simply do not have the organization, skills, and follow-through that is necessary. This is why companies have CEO's and managers to run the place, and coincidently is why CEO's and managers get paid more than the workers.
     
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    Until Democrats admit that there is a social pathology among the underclasses that OWS ostensibly represents that prevent them from ever being productive, useful members of society then the movement will go nowhere.

    That is the problem.

    The American underclasses are socially pathological and have severe mental deficiencies that prevent most of them from ever taking advantage of any opportunities afforded them.
     
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    Where did OWS go wrong?

    Well, they're idiots who are yelling at the wrong people about the wrong things.


    Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.
     
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    Dissent must be done individually or in very small groups. As soon as hundreds or even dozens are involved, you can be sure govt agents will have infiltrated it.
     
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    Want to stump a progressive? Ask them why the West needs Muslim immigration. They can't answer this question.


    No - they can't, but they'll have an answer anyway such as "Why are you a racist". Namecalling is all progs have.
     
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    Yuppers - most minorities are pathologically stupid. And the upper classes are psychopaths.
     
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    As a Democrat, I have mixed feelings for Occupy. What could have been a progressive counter to the Tea Party, turned into a group of Anachists and hangers-ons. Squatting in parks does no good. It should have taken that energy and turned it into a political movement, not a hang out for squatters and vagabonds.
     
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    Have you ever seen how many companies with high-priced ceo's and managers have gone bust this century?
     
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    Epic win.

    Should have occupied Capitol Hill.
     
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    Name calling occurs by all political ideologies. You should think about addressing the name calling that the Conservatives do as well. The only current reason we (I will talk about the United States and not the entire West) need immigration is because we need science and technology jobs filled and our school systems are turning out students who are not prepared for those fields. We not not need immigration policies based on a certain religious bias, we just need students smart enough to fill gaps created by our less-than-stellar education system.
     
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    I really don't want to be an I-told-you-so, but when you sit back and look at what OWS has become, what else can you say? This is the only conclusion that could have resulted from this type of movement just simply because of the way it was set up. No leaders, no clearly defined goals, no solutions, no higher standard of behavior to hold themselves to, and nothing but unbridled, volatile emotions at the center. It is one giant collective infantile temper tantrum. And as a result, this is what it leads to; filth, destruction, chaos, and even worse poverty than what you began with.

    This is the anarcho-communist utopia in action. Notice how much it differs from the grand ideological vision.
     
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    Half-cocked near insane selfishness was the root cause celebre
    behind this typical Liberal movement.It's one thing to merely get
    noticed,quite another to hold major cities hostage by their slovenly
    actions.In New York City it got so out of hand,those trying to
    make it to work were stopped in their tracks,and denied access to their
    place of employment.Right there is an infringement on the right
    to move freely and seek work.No movement short of Hitler's
    Storm Troopers who pervaded the streets with Bullyings tactics
    shoule have been tolerated for a day in this Country,instead
    of relentlessly.This Occupy Wall Street thuggery is the sole
    province of one man ... Obama.He could have ordered his TSA
    out in full force instead of hassling common citizens at Airports.
    Obama could have given a Speech { gee I wonder why he never did }
    on the perils of such near revolutionary acts like these Occupy Wall
    Street hooligans.Yet Obama couldn't quite manage it.
    Gee ... How convenient.Obama had little difficulty managing speeches
    about the need to be Civil after the Gabby Giffords shooting.
    After his Reverend Wright YouTubes.
     
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    You are either an idiot or a troll.
     
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    They all find refuge in Entertainment or Accademia
     
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    Obama wanted to use OWS for his advantage. LOL
     
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    so the Occupy crowd moves into a spot and totally demolishes it, what else is new???
     
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    He forgot Journalism & Social Service
     
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    And how many without have also gone bust.

    There's always "circumstances" specific to each failed business. It's rather impossible to lump them all into some kind of group and say all of these failed because they paid their CEO too much, or all of these failed because they didn't have a CEO.

    Running a business is risky, regardless of everything else, there is not really such a thing as a "sure bet". There are good bets, and if you have any experience with investing, you know that the ones with high-paid CEO's who demand high profit margins, are a safer bet because they have "wiggle room" to expand, ride out the hills and valleys of the economy/supply and demand, etc. More investing in their stock = more room to expand and grow their profits as a whole. Which creates more stability and even more investing.

    Small businesses, without COE's and such, typically rely on family and friends for investment. If they manage to stay alive they can offer more local stocks, employee stocks, etc., and expand on that investment. Though I'd hazard to say that most small businesses tend to wait until offering up stock investment is a last ditch to save the company, those are really risky, kind of a we like these people so here's some money now we'll cross our fingers and hope they make it...
     

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