How Sickening is This, Military losing Recruits

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    Are they really naive?

    With respect to what appears to be naive people, I often wonder what percentage are: 1) naive; 2) trolling; 3) paid to post; or 4) emotional damaged from the information operatons used to attack Trump for the last 6 years.

    I have never studied stylometry or even read much about it, but I find it curious that the writing style of certain posters here on PF appears to me to change over time. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this? If styleometry software were available that could be used by an untrained person, it would be interesting to conduct some analysis in this regard.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ I find it very disturbing . The dumbing-down of American society is much more prevalent than many realize ... :bleh:
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    The dangers of the shots become more apparent with the passage of time, but only for those paying attention and being honest with themselves. For those in denial, the clot shots will be what Teflon Tony says they are.

    We're all going to die. Death is the natural conclusion of life. Were you not aware of that?
     
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    I've had three shots, ill probably have another in a few months. I'll keep you updated on my untimely death.

    Of course, i guess i could just be lucky enough to get 4 placebos and avoid the death shot that the lizard people are using to wipe out humanity.
     
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    Another slogan sans any facts or sources.
     
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    Agreed. Not in the way you believe, but it's true nonetheless.
     
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    At some point, even democrats aren't going to be able gloss over the readiness issues the Biden administration has inflicted on our military. And at some point, it might even impact you.
     
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    Like what? Quit speculating, fantasizing and guessing and start posting facts with sources. The way you're posting doesn't lend itself to discussion.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Feel free at any time to not engage then. Easy solutions to what you angst over.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I am fascinated by what Elon Musk is suggesting regarding the number of 'bots' at Twitter. I'm not registered there, but Musk is suggesting that the number of 'bots' at Twitter could be as high as 90%.

    If he can prove that, if the data shows that to be true, I wonder how that translates into posters at online forums such as PF?
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The 'bots' he refers to are not posters, but programs which trick the ad engines.
     
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    The Pfizer vaccine was fully approved on August 23rd, 2021 (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine).

    The Moderna vaccine was approved on January 31st, 2022 (Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA)

    I believe that some have convinced themselves that because the vaccines all had Emergency Use Authorization in the beginning, that the vaccines were unsafe, harmful, and untested. Which is very far from the actual truth. I can pretty well assume that most of the people complaining about the EUA's know absolutely nothing of the route taken.

    The pandemic is considered a public health emergency. In public health emergencies, the manufacture and approval of medications, vaccines, medical devices can be streamlined through an Emergency Use Authorization or EUA.

    An EUA does not affect vaccine safety for the reason that it doesn't impact development -- research, clinical studies, study of side-effects/adverse reactions. What is speeded up is the manufacturing and administrative processes. The vaccines are approved for use during a state of emergency and use is revoked if the state of emergency is over.

    The EUA route vs FDA usual approval route are different.

    The usual, non-emergency route is testing first, followed by approval, followed by production, followed by distribution.
    The EUA route is testing and production at the same time, followed by approval, followed by distribution.

    With both routes, there is Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 clinical trials.
    Phase 1 = vaccine tested on a small number of healthy people to assess safety and effectiveness
    Phase 2 = vaccine tested on hundreds of people with mixed conditions and from diverse demographic groups.
    Phase 3 = vaccine is tested on thousands of people across demographic groups and immune responses are compared against placebos.

    Usually, data from the trials is submitted after all the trials are completed. With the EUA route, the companies are allowed to submit portions of their approval applications to the FDA for review as soon as they have completed them.

    In the EUA route, production takes place at the same time as the phase trials. In the EUA route, the FDA reviews the data from completed Phase 3 trials and determines, like in the usual route, if the vaccine is safe and works. The FDA granted full approval to Pfizer for the vaccine to be used on those 16 years and older on August 23, 2021. Full approval means the vaccine can be used permanently and isn't just approved for use during a state of emergency. The EUA route involved testing the vaccine with approximately 44,000 subjects due to the fact there was a huge pool of people who were willing to take part in the trials. Pfizer got full approval, as did Moderna, because they completed all the required steps for full approval that every medication/vaccine must go through.

    When the usual route is used, after the phase 3 trials are complete, the vaccine maker applies for a Biologics License Application (BLA). If the FDA determines that the vaccine is safe and it works, it will grant a licence for the production of the vaccine. Then large amounts of the vaccine are made and distributed.

    The FDA didn't unleash the vaccines of the public with no testing.

    How could any government not authorize the emergency use of drugs and biological products during the pandemic? Besides the vaccines, the FDA allowed EUA's for different medications used to treat mostly moderate to severe covid that are very effective.

    The FDA granted EUA status to hydroxychloroquine in March of 2020. By June of 2020 it was clear from studies that the drug not only had no discernible benefit but might even be harmful to Covid-19 patients, and the EUA was withdrawn in June 2020.

    Since the EUA's were initially accepted, there has been huge amounts of growing evidence that the vaccines are safe and effective. And this isn't only in the USA, it's all over the world which I know you don't care about. Worldwide use -- approval and EUA's -- are further demonstration that the vaccines are safe and effective.

    A lot of the research related to SARS-CoV-1 was used for research related to SARS-CoV-2. It's not like the scientists knew nothing about these coronaviruses. Vaccines have been developed and improved upon for ages. They take less time to approve now due to advances in technology.

    I doubt you care about any of this or will accept it, I wrote for those who are not aware of the difference between the two routes.

    Regarding me mentioning worldwide approval. No need to get sweary about it. We don't live in a perfect world and thalidomide did get approved. It was a tragedy. It was more about the absolutely disgusting behaviour of the pharma company in Germany. They basically ignored reports of harmful side-effects. The UK became suspicious of thalidomide in 1960 and many doctors refused to give it to their patients and it's use was revoked due to obvious negative birth defects. That one example does not make worldwide statistics/research invalid though as related to the Covid vaccines. As a result of the thalidomide tragedy, the pharmaceutical industry has taken great strides to increase the rigor of testing. They have also instituted better adverse side-effects reporting systems, so if need be, medications can be pulled off the market or have warnings attached to them. Things have radically improved over the past sixty years.

    When you you say that modern day liberals no longer respect individuals rights that is a load of black and white thinking. How can you possibly discern what people believe in and what they stand for from one thread relating to military vaccinations? Are individuals rights absolute or are the rights of others important too? Never mind, those are rhetorical questions.
     
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    You can see how many bots are online at any given time on this forum.

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    Just click on the 'Members' tab
    Then click on the 'Current Visitors' tab
    You will see a list of the current visitors along with the bots. You will also see the online statistics box that I have attached above. Bots crawl forums all the time.
     
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    just as the jan 6th probe suggests, trumper supporters have significant support among the military
     
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    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    You make some assumptions about me. I had a vaccination (2 shots) and a booster early on based on my own personal risk v. benefit analysis. As a freedom issue object to people being forced to ingest drugs, including the military. For example, the forced ingestion of pyridostigmide bromide, a druge that effects nerve/muscle interaction to 250,000 military personnel used as a prophylactic for possible nerve gas exposure. I guess that was considered safe, until troops started coming down with Gulf War syndrome.

    To some degree your comment about my black and white thinking is deserved. Perhaps, I have become polarized by the rabid big government worshipping I read here on PF. But that is not an excuse as you are right that it is generally best to avoid black and white thinking.
     
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    Thanks for that, but it seems that Bing bots, and Yandex bots are known (recognized?) bots. Being a total neophyte on such things, I wonder if a person could register as, for example, Henry Jones, and then post as such when he was employed by Company A, for example, for the sole purpose of advancing the agenda of Company A. Would that be the same as a bot, or not?
     
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    That's why it's best to allow the vaccine to act as a trump filter.

    This is a fantastic,

    The trump movement is self-destructing at every level.
     
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