How the Left is being Manipulated on Immigration

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    I have always suspected the leadership in the right of using immigration as a pretext weakening the power/influence of workers unions and having excess to a labor force that will work for less. Cheaper labor means more business profits and higher stock dividends.

    The property developers are also earning large sums of money by all the new housing that needs to be built to accomodate a growing population. While the overcrowding makes housing unaffordable, more and more of Britain's open space is being built on, a direct consequence of expanding the supply of housing to accomodate so much immigration.

    The real benefitors are the corporations. All the immigrants have bid up rents and the price of housing by squeezing whole extended families into tiny apartments. All the migrants are just more blood fodder for the parasitic landowners!

    The cost to the NHS and public schools from all these migrants (and their children) is staggering, but the wealthy people benefiting from all the immigration are hoping to shift most of the burden onto middle class taxpayers.

    Bringing over more migrants is an easy thing to do, because Britain has a huge group of idealistic leftists who believe that "everyone should be treated equally, regardless of national origin", and who are sympathatic (to a fault) to all the poor refugees abroad. The small corporate pro-immigration special interest group has all the money to finance elections, while the leftists have the big numbers of voters. Unfortunately, the leftists cannot see that they are being manipulated, that immigration actually undermines what they are fighting for. The most effective means to assure higher wages and good working conditions is not to have an oversupply of labor relative to the jobs that exist. Marx described this as "the army of the unemployed", which drove down wages because of the competition for scarce jobs.

    Mass immigration has been the undoing of leftwing political parties across Europe since it erodes the shared values that are an essential prerequisite of a well-funded welfare state.


    Governments Infringing on Free Speech

    I found these interesting links:

    http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v22n4/freespeech.html

    Here is an excellent article about the protection of free speech:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2552401/posts

    It appears that the government in the UK is trying to censor beliefs that go against its ideology of multiculturalism and non-discrimination. These policies have questionable legality, because it is itself a violation of human rights to limit democratic political discussion.
     
  2. Stay_Focused

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    Immigrants do not depress wages. Because immigrants also create demands for jobs. Basically it is just population increase in economics model speak. There is no reasonable to believe that when population goes up, wages declines.
     
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    Depends. If the immigrants are highly skilled their ideas and innovation will create wealth. If they are stupid peasants who can barely read and right and they flood the labour market they will crush the salaries of unskilled workers.

    I'm sure you've noticed the Liblabcon cabal aren't shipping bankers or politicians in by the million........
     
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    There is a shortage of low skilled labor.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtRmS7q9DlM"]Top 3 Myths About Immigration - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    There is a surpluss of Lazy Brits living on benefits thinking that a high school diploma is enough to get a proper middle class job.
     
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    To the politicians that cater to the every whim of corporations, there will always be a "shortage" of workers. Even in the recession they were still complaining about a "shortage of skilled workers". When you want educated and trained workers but do not want to pay them a decent salary, there will always be a shortage.

    There is indeed a shortage of workers: a shortage of educated workers willing to work for low wages! In the USA, the corporations keep complaining that they want more nurses, scientists, and engineers. Yet the un- and underemployment rate among these occupations is unusually high, and the salaries not very good. And this was going on five years before the recession.

    All those positions in the medical and research fields could be providing good opportunities for Britain's working people, if the salaries were high enough to motivate the young.

    Here is a question: why are nearly half the doctors and nurses in Britain foreigners (or the first generation children of foreigners)? Why are English youth not rushing off to get into medical school to earn excellent salaries and become wealthy? White men now comprise little more than a quarter of all UK medical students. (source: "Country of training and ethnic origin of UK doctors: database and survey studies" Michael J Goldacre)
     
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    No, the fact is there is a shortage of jobs paying a living wage.

    I might want to pay a cleaner 20p to clean my living room - doesn't mean because nobody accepts there is a shortage of cleaners. Want staff, pay a decent wage!!
     

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