How the situation with Iran may reflect on Georgia

Feel better about yourself now Shroom?

While you were Conjugating Sentence structure I was working on Integer Sequences.

Tell me the next number...0,1,1,2,3,5,8.......?

Or perhaps tell me how many known points of position is needed to find any related point in any 3-D Vollume of Space?

Or perhaps tell me the the reason you even are aware of a Weird Al Video....unless you are a fan???

LOL!!

AboveAlpha

 

While the cornerstone of Iran's defensive strategy are other weapon system, not fighter aircraft or battle tanks, Iran has been working on several tank as well as fighter aircraft designs. Indeed, while Iran has still some ways to go before it can boast a genuine modern fighter aircraft on par with what is available to its regional rivals (not to mention, what the US has in its inventory), its work on the manufacturing battle tanks has resulted in what is a tank that is largely comparable in capabilities to what is available elsewhere.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=177

As for fighter aircraft, Iran has been working on a stealth fighter for some time, with the Qaher 313 becoming famous when various western internet analysts "proved" the obvious, namely that the Qaher was merely a mockup or prototype and not an actual full sized fighter. Anyway, here is a picture of the Qaher 313 released by Iran at the time.

More recently another picture of the Qaher 313 prototype or mock up emerged as well. Clearly, while the fighter is still in the development stages, this is a project that Iran is working on and it won't be too long before we will see an actual Qaher 313 fighter in the skies. (If I had to guess, in 3-5 years).


Unlike the Qaher 313, no one disputes that the Saeghe fighter is actual fighter, but western analysts have claimed that the Saeghe is based on the American F-5 fighter, but modified to have twin tails and equipped with some new armaments and radar. They may be right, but it doesn't matter. Iran has begun mass producing the Saeghe (along with the Saeghe 2) and they are giant step towards Iran one day fielding an indigenous fighter on its own.

 

Best of luck with that, fanboy.

 

Does anyone have confidence Obama could successfully execute a military operation against Iran?

 

I agree that Iran wouldn't be like Iraq or Syria and just take direct military intervention by Israel as did those scumbag regimes. Israel for all its bluster knows this. they also know that unlike Iraq and Syria, the Iranians have a far more sophisticated air defense system and their EW is way better.

IOW, Israel's chances of success aren't as high as some may think, time over target would be extremely limited and the fueler aircraft would have to be close enough to Iranian airspace that they'd be juicy targets for the right kind of anti air missiles. And imagine that, the Iranians have such anti-air missiles, fixed, mobile, and manpad.


It would be a war of aircraft and missiles since land access is highly problematic. I can't see the Israelis or the Iranians fighting their way across northern Iraq to get to their enemy.

 

One helluva lot more than say you or Trump or anyone named Bush or Clinton.

 

Until this nuclear deal, the notion that Israel had any military option against Iran was not serious and Israel and Iran knew that as much. It wasn't so much Iran's air defense systems that made an Israeli military operation nonsensical. It was more the fact that (1) Iran's nuclear infrastructure that raised any proliferation concerns involved thousands of targets, built by Iran and capable of being reconstituted by Iran; (2) many of these targets were well defended and some were incapable of being destroyed by any conventional munition (and certainly by any conventional munition available to Israel, since the US military likes to pretend that their new 30,000-pound Massive Ordinance Penetrator might be able to accomplish the task); (4) Israel had a limited number of aircraft capable of even making it as far as Iran and back to Israel and, unlike the US, which could establish air supremacy with nearby bases, Israel could only carry out a sneak attack against a couple of targets; (5) the minor punch Israel could land against Iran would be reciprocated with punches Israel couldn't handle. If this nuclear deal is implemented, however, some of these obstacles faced by Israel will be removed since much of Iran's nuclear infrastructure will be moved to one single, exposed, location. That means what Israel was totally unable to do previously becomes possible now, although Israel would still have to be prepared for massive retaliation from Iran and knows that such an attack would merely legitimize Iran building the bomb after reconstituting its program.

 

Methinks the Israelis know that any preemptive attack on Iran will be met with retaliatory attacks by Iran on Israel. Its a no win scenario all the way around.

 

Depends.. a war on Iran will cost the US a whole lot more money than the Iraq war.

 

That's not the question. Do you have confidence Obama could successfully execute a military operation against Iran?

 

There is a difference between could and would.

I have no confidence that he would do so, even if before he left office it was discovered they completely ignored the terms and did whatever in the hell they wanted to or even escalated their program.

 

If it was necessary, yes I think he'd be more than hard ass enough as he has demonstrated by killing AQ and ISIS and Taliban leaders with controversial drone strikes, and how he was forced to take unilateral action against ISIS because congress wouldn't fulfill their obligation nor Obama's direct request.

 

You gave up already....ohhh well.

Typical.

AboveAlpha

 

IF...we had to invade Iran....we would not be dropping Daisy Cutters and MOAB's on Iranian Nuclear Facilities....WE WOULD BE SEIZING THEM!!!

We have already told Israel to stay out of this and just be happy we have forbidden Israel to bomb Iranian Nuclear Facilities.

As I have stated you should spend your time advocating Iranian's to HONOR THE AGREEMENT WITH THE UNITED STATES!!!

Because if Iran does not....then we...the United States will have NO CHOICE but to seize all Iranian Nuclear Facilities and any attempted attacks upon either U.S. Forces seizing the Iranian Nuclear Facilities or attempted Missile attacks upon Israel WILL BE DELT WITH MOST LETHALY!!

This is not Iraq or Israel you would be fighting....IT IS US!!!

And you would find if such a war began....it would only be a matter of hours before it ended.

AboveAlpha

 

Drone strikes are stand off weapons used by someone who is afraid of a knife fight. Drone strikes haven't slowed down ISIS. Obama characterized ISIS as the JV team. He was wrong. ISIS is politically and militarily adroit. They have a vision and an ideology. America has no vision and no ideology which can resonate among the peoples of the Middle East. Obama has lost the initiative to ISIS. That's the first step on the road to defeat. ISIS is even able to launch lone wolf attacks on American soil. What's happening is really quite remarkable.

In this vein, Obama has also lost the war in Afghanistan despite his escalation and all those deaths. Obama has been another version of Bush. I've come to the conclusion the US simply can't fight land wars anymore without being defeated politically by inferior forces who have greater heart and steadfastness. All Americans should be alarmed by this fact.

It's not possible for either Congress or Obama to trust each other. They are more dangerous to each other than any foreign enemy.

 

American political culture ensures that any war the US fights which lasts longer than one year will be lost. That being the case the best course of action is not to fight rather than to send Americans to die in vain. If Americans were a confident people their martial valor would strike fear into the hearts of the Iranians. The Iranians have been defeated many times throughout history by confident foes prepared to carry fire and sword into the Iranian heartland.

 

Do you honestly think a U.S. War with Iran would last more than a week?

It would not.

AboveAlpha

 

A conventional war probably would cost more than the grand adventure in Iraq. But there are asymmetrical ways of fighting anyone. Know your enemy and know yourself and you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.

Only a bare majority of Iranians are Persian. Iranian Kurdistan, Balochistan, and Khuzestan are restive. I don't know about the Azeris. But there is enough division in Iran to keep the Iranian regime busy.

The best course of action would be to withdraw from the Middle East entirely, and limit contact to regular trade in the ordinary course of business.

 

Yes. In order to defeat the Iranians it is necessary not only to destroy their military facilities, modern infrastructure, etc. It will be necessary to kill so many of them that their will is broken. To do so using conventional weapons would require several years of relentless attacks. A quick campaign to terminate hostilities would perforce have to use special methods or special weapons. If the will of the Iranian people is not broken they will wage a terrible campaign of revenge against us.

Another alternative would be to provide the Saudis with nukes and let them use the weapons as city busters on Iranian population centers. But in doing so we would be so empowering the Saudis that they would become a monster.

The best course of action is to withdraw from the Middle East completely, and engage in normal trade.

 

The United States would only Invade Iran for one reason and one reason ONLY.

That would be to SEIZE...not blow up....all Iranian Nuclear Facilities which is something we can do.

The Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army would want NO PART of any such war as we have been talking to their Leadership and their Leadership KNOW that any attempt to block the strait od Hormuz or engage USAF Stealth Fighter/Attack Aircraft is suicide.

The Regular Army which is NOT the Iranian Republican Guard would also know that they could easily be wiped from existance by Heavy USAF Bombers.

But the U.S. Military would have to protect the Ten's of Thousands of Rangers, Special Forces, Special Teams and CIA Teams that would be chopper dropped to seize Nuclear Sites.....thus we most likely would have to obliterate the Iranian Republican Guard Units.

Any Iranian Military Force that does nt stand down would be quickly destroyed and the only things a U.S. Invasion Force would be interested in is the Nuclear Sites....that's it.

AboveAlpha

 

Iran has been overrun by conquerors; it has been overrun many times. But, despite being overrun many times, it has always re-emerged and conquered those conquerors at the end. That is why IRAN remains a nation-state with several millennia of self-conscious history, not some new fabrication by some colonial administrators. We have withstood, through several millennia of continuous history, inter alia, the Greeks, the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks, the Mongols, the Turks again, European colonialists, and American hegemonists. While we have occasionally floundered, Iran at the end has never been vanquished.

Incidentally, since there is some (to me annoying) confusion regarding the name IRAN and its relationship with the name Persia, let me say the following:

The name Iran is derived from old-Persian and is a term that means "Land of Aryans". This is the name which has been applied to the country by the Iranians for millennia, even if Iran was called Persia (derived from the Greek Persis) in the west until 1935, when the Iranian government specifically requested that the correct name be applied to the country. Persia (derived from Pars or later Fars) is simply a region of Iran and has roughly the same connection to Iran as say England has to the United Kingdom. (Interestingly, Persians similarly generally refer to the UK as “England&#8221. For those interested, the Wikipedia article on the Name of Iran does a decent job discussing the issue. But the notion, sometimes advanced in certain articles, that the name Iran was chosen for Persia in the 1930s because it meant Land of Aryans and Reza Shah wanted to emphasize Iran’s Aryan roots to befriend Nazi Germany, is misleading since Iran was the actual name of the country long before Reza Shah or the Nazis! Thus, for instance, even in the 17th century, Sir John Chardin, in his Travels to Persia 1673-1677, wrote:

See, Sir John Chardin's Travels to Persia, Chapter 1 of the Second Volume on Persia in General.

 

We do not need to wipe out all aspects of the Iranian Military to accomplish our goal.

We need them to STAND DOWN....specifically the Iranian Navy, Air Force and Regular Army....and believe me that would be only more than happy to STAND DOWN rather than face certain death.

AboveAlpha

 

We are not talking about some battle with Alexander the Great while Darius II abandoned his men on the field of Battle and thus fell Persia.

We are talking about the United States Military....the most lethal and capable Military Force in the HISTORY OF HUMANITY....being forced to seize Iranian Nuclear Facilities for the protection of Iran and other Nations in the Middle East.

That is all the U.S. Military needs to do if Iran breaks the agreement.

If Iran is stupid enough to FIGHT BACK....rather than stand down and just allow our Military Teams do their work...the result would be a level of DEATH AND DESTRUCTION NOT SEEN SINCE WWII.

Iran MUST HONOR THE AGREEMENT!!!

If it does not....Iran can KISS IT'S OWN A$$ GOODBYE!!

AboveAlpha

 

Oh, did I?

I am waiting for prooflinks, clown. But I assume you would prefer to run with your tail between your legs.

 

ONLY SUICIDAL OR MURDEROUS IDIOTS would prefer a knife fight to stand off weapons. You know the old saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"?

Obama called the JV team prior to the humiliating collapse of the Iraqi army. That was unforeseen by all. And in hindsight it was a mistake. OTOH, ISIS commanders are dying regularly.

As to America lacking a vision to appeal to the population of the middle east - I totally agree.
Seems people in other areas of the world don't want what America has and aren't buying the bullcrap, because they too can read history.

Amazing that Islamophobic America can't convert all them heathens to the one true religion. Or is that from the one true religion? I get so confused sometimes.

Seems in your opinion, the very foundations of the nation have rotted away.