How to fix the housing problem?

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Government could partner with private enterprise to provide affordable housing operated as non-profits...
     
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    As noted before, dismissing them as "diatribe" is just your way of preventing yourself from knowing facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    could try that too, we have to try new ideas for sure
     
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    Does not compute.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    anyone that wants to live there, it's just a public option

    "The single woman who kept having kids knowing she couldn't afford them?"

    vs having an abortion?
     
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    Since there will be finite supply of such housing, I take it you're okay with it being horribly abused? Abuse means not used for its intended purpose - and the purpose of such housing is to provide a platform for transition out of poverty. It never was and never could be, a lifetime 'option'. Its purpose is to serve NEED, not want.
     
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    WTF?
     
  8. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, the well off will not want to live there - it will mainly be a place for min wage employees - that is the cost of cheap labor... someone has to pay... the employer or the taxpayers
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    well, the right complains that their having too many children, then complains about birth control and abortion?
     
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    Try rebooting with some knowledge...
     
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    Immigration has very very little to do with the housing situation today.
    It's low inventory, even where there are very few immigrants, low interest rates, easy to get financing, and the very very high cost of building materials.

    So, immigration may factor in about 2% if that.

    And if we cut back on immigration, that just means more jobs unfilled.
    The US citizen population growth doesn't keep up with the economic growth.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I totally disagree. In another thread I pointed out how real per capita GDP has probably only increased about 20% since the 1970s.
    How much has GDP really increased since 1970 ?
     
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    What about the inflation GDP? That creates growth on top of the real.

    America: Heading Towards Zero Population Growth?
    Apr. 08, 2012 7:30 AM ETDIA, IVV, IYY...12 Comments


    The US population is growing at a declining rate and, without immigration, it will not grow at all in the 2030s and 2040s.

    In the years following WW2 and until the mid 1960s, the US population grew by an average 1.6% per year. From the late 1960s to 2007, it grew by an average of 1% per year. Since then, the growth rate has fallen under 1%. On my calculations, it will remain below 1% for several decades and will fall well below 0.5% in the 2030s and 2040s. Without immigration, the size of the total population would flatline or shrink moderately in those decades.

    America: Heading Towards Zero Population Growth? | Seeking Alpha

    And on top of a slow growth in population, there's jobs out there today that US citizens don't do.

    I was talking with a local farmer over the weekend and he says the only people that will come apply for work anymore are from some place in South America.
     
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    I guarantee that if the location is urban or inner urban, well off people WILL want to live there. As will anyone with an eye to abusing such services. Most countries have a huge problem with such abuse, when subsidised housing is located in desirable areas. The only way to be sure the resource is going to those in need and not being swallowed up by the wrong people, is to allocate places strictly according to space required, rather than location. The abusers always lose interest when they can't dictate the terms of their free ride.

    Best place for this kind of housing is a one hour commute from city jobs. It's not so far that it's impractical, but it's far enough to exclude many abusers. You would still get abusers willing to tolerate those locations, but they're going to be the kind who don't want to work, or drug addicts, or gamblers etc, and so will live anywhere. You need another way of preventing such people from accessing public housing. Strict criteria for mutual obligation. Drug testing, financial management policing, evidence of efforts at finding and keeping work - thus moving out of the public housing to make way for others, etc etc.
     
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    Ah .. what the hell does one have to do with the other? Poor women are not more stupid you know .. they don't lose the knowledge of how babies are made.
     
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    guess you don't understand how birth control works, birth control reduces the number of unplanned\unwanted babies....

    "Abstinence is just not realistic" - Palin

    she had one baby out of wedlock, then became an Abstinence Ambassador and had another out of wedlock, she would know

    "Bristol Palin Says Abstinence 'Not Realistic at All'"

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/bristol-palin-says-abstinence-not-realistic-at-all

    "Bristol Palin Earns $262,000 as Abstinence Ambassador"

    https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...earns-262000-as-abstinence-ambassador-201154/

    "Unmarried Bristol Palin, ‘ambassador for abstinence,’ pregnant again"

    https://www.thestar.com/entertainme...ambassador-for-abstinence-pregnant-again.html
     
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    Unlike you, I know that private enterprise does not do anything without the prospect of profiting, one way or another.
     
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    Unfortunately you do not know that 95% of the non-profits are rooted in the private sector. They are 'private' businesses...not 'public' businesses. Every non-profit we work with is a private enterprise...
     
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    A private "entity" is not a private "enterprise."
     

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