How to Really Fix Healthcare. Conservatives, take a Nitro before reading this

Hmmm.. you caught me in an inconsistency. Actually, though, if we take care of the sick, that makes it a de facto right. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in t he sort of a society that just allows the sick and injured to die, so I suppose I am supporting it as a right.

 

Obamacare no, single-payer yes.

It is an established FACT, that all single-payer systems in the world are less expensive than our health care system.

 

Health care is a right in most countries and in the UN. It is explicitly defined as a right. The United States is primitive in that fashion. Our constitution doesn't touch health care.. it simply hints at "general welfare" which one can interpret health care as.

Regardless of its in our ancient document or not, health care of citizens is an economic asset to a country. We should be protecting that asset, not leaving it to exclusion.

 

Theft is still theft no matter how you pretty it up.

And people are discovering their free health care is way more expensive than the health care they were paying for. It is always this way with tyrannies. Eventually the people will want to be free. But you won't be alive to see it. Some petty bureaucrat is going to decide that your health care is just too expensive and deny your care. I smile at the prospects. I look forward to all tyrants getting what they deserve.

 

I propose that you and all like you who believe that your health care should be paid for by someone else band together and each of you pay for each others' health care. Leave the rest of us alone.

Promoting the general welfare means to execute those non-defense enumerated powers. Any other interpretation is tyrannical. You cannot have my money just because you want it. I know you want slavery but only if you get to choose who will provide you with valuable services that you will not pay for.

What can possibly be more evil that someone who, day after day, argues for a return to slavery?

 

1) The government doesn't deny your care in single-payer systems. The most they do is put you on a list of priority based on the severity of your condition.

2) Single payer is less expensive than for-profit. Pure fact. FACT. Let it marinate through your stubborness.

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If you have health insurance, which I'm assuming you do, you are paying for someone elses health care. Where is your argument?

How many posts are you going to reference slavery? Do you want this country to return to slavery? What is it??! You can't find ONE alternative euphemism.

 

"Theft is still theft no matter how you pretty it up.

And people are discovering their free health care is way more expensive than the health care they were paying for. It is always this way with tyrannies. Eventually the people will want to be free. But you won't be alive to see it. Some petty bureaucrat is going to decide that your health care is just too expensive and deny your care. I smile at the prospects. I look forward to all tyrants getting what they deserve."

We already know you are a Marxist. You will be denied care by a busybody bureaucrat. If it makes you feel better as you wait to die go ahead and believe you are simply on a long waiting list. I would have no objections at all if those of you who want to be abused by your government are allowed to so so while you leave the rest of us alone.

All Marxists have believed as you do. Pure fact. FACT. Let it marinate...

"I propose that you and all like you who believe that your health care should be paid for by someone else band together and each of you pay for each others' health care. Leave the rest of us alone."

Do you understand what insurance is? I do not believe you do. It is not prepaid health care. When I buy insurance I agree to give someone a fee in return for him accepting some of my risks. I am betting I might get sick. The one covering the risk is betting I won't.

I am not paying for someone else's health care. I am transferring my risks to another.

Still, if you believe that you paying for someone else's health care is worth doing then start a company and go for it.

Just leave me out of your schemes.

When you and the rest of the Marxists stop trying to enslave me I will stop calling you slavers.

 

Health Insurance companies actually pay very little for health services. People need to demand that they have a right to a copy of the fee schedule of who they are contracted with their insurance.

For example, I have insurance through my husband’s employment where he pays a percentage of the premiums which is about $3600 out of his paycheck for the entire year. We have a $3,000 deductible and pay a co-pay of $25 for doctor’s visits.

I received medical care for a total of $6,222.55, the insurance allowable amount was $2287.62. The difference between these amounts is $3935.23 which was written off by the providers of care per contract. The insurance company paid only $344.79 and the rest was applied to my deductible and co-pays.


This was an unusual year for me since I seldom require medical care and most of these charges were tests to rule out any problems. So normally from year to year I receive no medical care and still pay our portion of $3600 while my husband’s employer pays $6400 each year.

This is a clear example of how health insurance companies are ripping the consumers off and maintaining high profit margins for their stock holders. The ACA doesn’t address this issue and it should have.
This mandate is only going to increase profit for the insurance companies and at the same time decrease payments to providers of care and sticking the bills to the consumer. Why more people are not outraged by these facts is unbelievable to me.

 

I believe what this shows is the level of ignorance about what you are buying when you buy insurance. You are not buying prepaid health care. You are transferring some risk of you needing health care to a company who is betting you are not going to need it.

 

How is it, then, that every single nation that has universal health care pays less than we do in t he USA?

 

Without the employer contribution, it would cost us almost 11,000 per year in premiums. At this price it should be prepaid healthcare. Otherwise it is a total rip off.

 

The only issue here is you will pay for those who are poor one way or another.

I can't get primary care access and end up in the ER with a serious infection an issue I have enough to concern people here my average bill if you add the doctors and testing for a week or longer stay runs up to $100+k the drugs are not cheap $6000 a day IV drip plus other costs. I can't pay so everyone writes it off on my end so who do you think gets the bill - those who can pay.

So far if you include my heart care that runs up to $1+ million passed on as a unfunded care to the rest of you.

So would Medicaid be more expensive than that if I had reliable care I might not end up with an infection that bad and aggressive to begin with or might have drugs at home to take until I can see a medical provider when symptoms appear. I don't care I get treatment regardless but at $80k+ a year I'm rather expensive to have around.

 

I'm not sure what exactly I should be outraged about. Are you outraged that the negotiated rates for Medicare are lower than private insurance? Are you outraged that they are even lower for Medicaid? Why do you think negotiated rates are outrageous?

 

Of course you believe that. Taxes are higher. People wait, sometimes until they die. When the government is involved it is never less expensive. You get lower quality care when the government says you can have it. And sometimes the answer is no.

We cannot allow this tyrannical usurpation of our rights to stand. The federal government has no constitutional role here.

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This shows what happens when the government unconstitutionally involves itself where it should not.

It is time to return the nation to its constitutional basis.

 

Do not be surprised when, under Obamacare a government busybody looks at your contributions to the state versus your cost to the state and sends you a letter telling you that you have had all of the care you will ever get.

You will be encouraged to die for the good of the nation.

 

As a health care worker dealing with insurance contracts and how little they pay for services, the consumers and the providers of care are getting screwed since most of the money received for healthcare isn't going to the provider of care. Its going to all of the parasites up the ladder that gets a cut out of it and this is wrong.

 

Most if not all states have their medicaid population in a managed care program through private insurance and each state pays a specific amount to the carrier in the range of $3500 to $6000 per member per year. Then the carrier pays the provider a set amount per member per year whether they received care or not. It doesn't matter how much you add up in charges because most of it will be written off per contract agreement.

 

What percentage is going to the parasites?

 

Of course I believe that we pay more for health care than other nations. I believe that due to data like this:

 

Where do all you leftists come from? Wherever it is we need to destroy it.

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Where are the wait times on your chart? There is more than one way to pay. Do you prefer by waiting for months to be seen? Do you prefer to pay by occasionally having a government busybody tell you that they are all out of whatever you believe you need?

It cost way less if you don't occasionally mind dying while you wait.

 

Well, we do live longer than people in nations outside of Europe, Canada, Australia. We do better than Africa, for example.


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Still no wait times?

 

If all the people in t hose dark blue countries weren't all dying off while waiting for medical care, just imagine how long their life expectancies might be!

 

There are many lies told about health care. The ones in images are the easiest to believe.

 

Well, since America is exceptional, it follows that we have the best health care in the world. Since we use a free market economy, it follows that it must also be the cheapest. Since everyone else has to wait months to see a doctor, we must live longer than anyone else, too.

Anything else has to be a lie, because Mr. Veritis says so, and his screen name implies troothiness.