http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-auburnshooting-update-2l1e8ha2rb-20120610,0,5969519.story Why bother arguing when you can just go on a shooting spree?
AUBURN, Ala., June 10 (Reuters) - Three men including two former Auburn University football players were shot dead and three others including a current player were wounded when an argument at a pool party at an off-campus apartment complex escalated, police said on Sunday. Two of those shot to death, Edward Christian and Ladarious Phillips, both 20, no longer played for Auburn. A current member of the team, Eric Mack, also 20, was wounded and admitted to East Alabama Medical Center. His condition was not released. The third fatality was Demario Pitts, 20, police said. The three athletes were members of Auburn's 2010 recruiting class and joined the team that season, which ended with the Auburn Tigers winning the national championship. Auburn Police Chief Tommy Dawson identified the suspect as 22-year-old Desmonte Leonard of Montgomery, the state capital, and said he was being sought on three counts of capital murder. Leonard fled the scene in a white Chevrolet Caprice with two
Yes- why point this shooting out when hundreds of people in America get murdered every day with guns.
And most of those guns are obtained illegally. A comparable amount of people are stabbed or beaten to death every day, so do you advocate banning blunt objects and knives as well? A comparable amount of people choke to death on solid food, so should we ban solid food too?
There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States 12,632 homicides over 365 days is um... 34.6 murders a day in America. Guess you were all right! Glad you find these numbers acceptable.
I'm not sure I've seen a thread with more inaccurate statements, on both sides. A. There are not hundreds of murders every day. Google is your friend. Have someone do the math for you. Why point it out when you're wrong. The actually figure is less than 50 a day for all homicides. A horrible number in my opinion but far from your hundreds a day. For homidices with guns it was 31 a day in 2009 and I doubt even Obama has succeeded in pushing it up to hundreds a day. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm B. Are most guns are not obtained illegally? I don't know but since sales between two people are legal I doubt most guns used in homicides are purchased illegally. C. There was a party, people were at least drinking alcohol, people were slugged, hit with bottles, and shot. It seems to be your typical escalation from words to fists to blunt instruments to guns. They skipped knives and vehicles.
Again what's your point? 3-4 times that many die in automobile accidents every year. What aren't you whining about those numbers being "acceptable?"
It seems logical to me that most of the firearms used in homicides are obtained illegally, since most of these are gang related, and I seriously doubt that gang members purchase firearms from a licensed firearms dealer. Gang members probably get their guns from illegal black-market deals. Unfortunately it is quite difficult to find any stats that compare legal-purchased firearms vs. illegally-obtained firearms and their prevalance in violent crime.
Yep, and most of those are lost to gang activity. Why should I even consider modifing my rights for the sake of some piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) who puts themselves in bad situations a way of life?
There were probably the same or higher rates of gun ownership (about 50%) over 50 years ago in Chicago, yet crime and gun homocides were vastly lower. Crime today is much worse than it was in the time of Al Capone and the St Valentine's Day killings. jmpet, face it, you have gun phobia, irrational hatred and fear of guns. As with other gunphobes, you list gun suicides as homocides. If guns cause so many suicides, then why does Japan have so many more percentages of suicides,, yet almost no guns?
Most of the world shares this phobia, which is why they have much lower murder rates than you pretend-cowboys. The Jp[anese have always, as you know, had a cultural weakness for suicide, hugely increased by their going in for capitalism.
Hold on there hoss, so you're saying it's the fault of the traditional culture that suicides are higher in Japan, but it is not the fault of the gang culture that homicides are higher in Chicago, it is the fault of the the guns? You may as well believe in the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny if you believe the liberal lie that more guns = more crime. If this lie was true, then crime would always be linked statistically the same based on the numer of guns in private hands, everywhere in the world.
Basically what ever violence problems in the US are because of guns, what ever violence problems that exist in other countries are just attributed to anything else.
Oh what a funny forum topic this is because I can throw NEWS at you and you retort with STATS, as if that makes the 34.6 daily gun murders acceptable.
What about the 43,000 people that die due to car accidents each year (118 per day)? Is this number, which is nearly 4 times that of the number of gun-related homicides, "acceptable" to you?
No - both countries have insane cultures, obviously, which is why you spend so much on killing one another, you dear Christian folk with your Judeo-Christian traditions lile racism and colonial murder. Don't sell yourself short!
Our high murder and suicide rates have nothing to do with availability of guns. Even if you could magically take away every gun in the US, the same number of people will die. They'll just be stabbed, or OD themselves. Accidents are certainly a good point, but the number of deaths from gun accidents is laughably small, under a thousand, it's one of the lowest causes of accidental death in the US. more than 12 times as many people poison themselves accidentally, a similar number die from accidental falls. Car accidents kill many many more than that. Errors in hospitals kill almost 200,000 people every year in the US. Accidents happen, banning the object is not the answer, particularly not when so few happen every year. If you really want to reduce accidental death related to firearms, we need to start enforcing a no handling or carrying firearms when drunk. People wouldn't go hunting, or to the range with a can of beer in hand if the penalty was $5,000 dollar fine and permanent revocation of your ability to own firearms. The vast majority of gun accidents in the US are caused by alcohol, not by the gun. http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf http://www.nber.org/papers/w7967.pdf?new_window=1 http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/ Gun control doesn't reduce murder rates, violent crime rates, or suicides. It really seems, common-sense wise, that it should. It doesn't. The evidence just isn't there. Common sense also says that the world is flat. Sometimes common sense will lead you astray.
