I’m a little surprised.

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Look at the debt-to-GDP ratio. It was rock-bottom low until Reagan's policies came into play. Then the debt skyrockets.

    Interestingly, the only two Presidents to reduce the debt since Nixon, was Carter and Clinton.

    BTW, I not only voted for Reagan, I campaigned for him. Too bad more righties aren't capable of honest reflection.
     
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    Ah yes. Carter- the Iranian hero and one term president. And let's not forget slick willy, one of a very select few who was lucky enough to be impeached.
     
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    The field is too big. Once things start to whittle down there will be more excitement.

    At this point you could replace trump with Pee-Wee Herman as far as I'm concerned. Anyone is better than this sick bastrd.
     
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    What I said is true in spite of your mindless hyperbole.

    Why did the military fail Carter? Can't they do their freaking job? The military failed, not Carter.

    PS. I never liked Carter as President but he's a thousand times the man trump could ever hope to be.
     
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    They directly caused the 2008 collapse and recession, lol
     
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    Economics isn’t your thing is it?
     
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    What you said, the praise you gave to slick willy (the impeached president) and carter (the loser who embarrassed America on the world stage militarily), was not their deserving. Luckily- ESPECIALLY under Bill Clinton, repubs and dems in congress could actually pass bills without years of argument and obstruction.
     
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    And Bill Clinton, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were all republicans too HUH ;)
     
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    Bill Clinton, Barney frank and Chris Dodd didn’t kill every single bill attempting to regulate Fanny and Freddie from 2001-2007. That’s all on republicans. Which directly caused the recession.
     
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    Just remembered I saved this JUST FOR YOU, since I have rubbed your nose in it so many times I got tired of googling it :)

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    Enjoy it ONCE AGAIN lolololol
     
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    Happy to refute your nonsense, as always

    TIMELINE FOR FANNIE/FREDDIE REGULATION
    1995-2006

    No legislation to further regulate GSEs is passed by a Republican-controlled Congress.
    October 7, 2004
    The House Financial Services Committee Chairman Michael Oxley (R-OH) cancels a markup on legislation to reform GSEs at the request of President Bush. According to CBS Marketwatch: “Strong opposition by the Bush Administration forced a top Republican congressman to delay a vote on a bill that would create a new regulator for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
    May 25, 2005
    The House Financial Services Committee, under control of House Republicans and Chairman Oxley, passed a GSE Reform bill, H.R. 1461, by a vote of 65-5. Every Democrat on the Committee voted for the bill. Five Republicans, arguing that the bill did not go far enough, voted against H.R. 1461: Reps. Ed Royce, Ron Paul, Tom Feeney, Jeb Hensarling, and Scott Garrett.
    July 28, 2005
    The Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, then chaired by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), passed S. 190, the Bush Administration’s bill, out of Committee. The bill was passed by a party-line vote of 11-10. The bill did not reach the Senate floor for a vote.
    October 26, 2005
    On the day the House was scheduled to vote on H.R. 1461, the Bush Administration issued a Statement of Administration Policy opposing the House Republican GSE bill.
    October 26, 2005
    H.R. 1461 passes House by a vote of 331-90, with 122 Democrats voting in favor. Note: Frank voted against the bill when it reached the floor, but not because of any opposition to reforming the GSEs, but because the Republican leadership decided to cut out funding for faith-based charities that provide low-income rental housing from the Affordable Housing Trust Fund.
    September 2006
    Oxley and Frank send a bipartisan letter to Senator Shelby urging GSE reform. Many Democrats and Republicans signed this letter urging the Senate to act.
    January 2007
    Democrats take control of the House and Senate; Barney Frank is named Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.
    March 28, 2007
    The House Financial Services Committee passes H.R. 1427, the GSE reform bill, by a vote of 49-15. The legislation had the support of the Bush Administration and represented a tougher bill than the 2005 effort. Incredibly, 19 Republicans opposed the bill.
    May 22, 2007

    The House of Representatives passes H.R. 1427, by a vote of 313-104. All opposition came from Republicans.
    January, 2008
    Chairman Frank offers to insert both GSE reform and FHA reform into the stimulus bill that was being negotiated by Democrats and Republicans in Congress and the Bush Administration. Secretary Paulson declined, citing opposition from the White House.
    May 8, 2008
    House of Representatives passes H.R. 3221, which contains GSE reform provision, after receiving the Senate amendments to the original bill.
    May 20, 2008
    The Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee passes a bill containing GSE Reform provisions- The Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008.
    July 11, 2008
    The United States Senate passes GSE reform as part of a bigger bill.
    July 30, 2008
    President Bush signs GSE reform as part of H.R. 3221



    https://financialservices.house.gov...11/timeline_for_fannie_freddie_regulation.pdf

    That’s every bill attempting to regulate fanny and Freddie from 2001-2007. It’s also the voting record showing republicans killed every one of them.
     
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    Happy yo refute your nonsense, as always

    TIMELINE FOR FANNIE/FREDDIE REGULATION
    1995-2006

    No legislation to further regulate GSEs is passed by a Republican-controlled Congress.
    October 7, 2004
    The House Financial Services Committee Chairman Michael Oxley (R-OH) cancels a markup on legislation to reform GSEs at the request of President Bush. According to CBS Marketwatch: “Strong opposition by the Bush Administration forced a top Republican congressman to delay a vote on a bill that would create a new regulator for mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”
    May 25, 2005
    The House Financial Services Committee, under control of House Republicans and Chairman Oxley, passed a GSE Reform bill, H.R. 1461, by a vote of 65-5. Every Democrat on the Committee voted for the bill. Five Republicans, arguing that the bill did not go far enough, voted against H.R. 1461: Reps. Ed Royce, Ron Paul, Tom Feeney, Jeb Hensarling, and Scott Garrett.
    July 28, 2005
    The Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, then chaired by Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), passed S. 190, the Bush Administration’s bill, out of Committee. The bill was passed by a party-line vote of 11-10. The bill did not reach the Senate floor for a vote.
    October 26, 2005
    On the day the House was scheduled to vote on H.R. 1461, the Bush Administration issued a Statement of Administration Policy opposing the House Republican GSE bill.
    October 26, 2005
    H.R. 1461 passes House by a vote of 331-90, with 122 Democrats voting in favor. Note: Frank voted against the bill when it reached the floor, but not because of any opposition to reforming the GSEs, but because the Republican leadership decided to cut out funding for faith-based charities that provide low-income rental housing from the Affordable Housing Trust Fund.
    September 2006
    Oxley and Frank send a bipartisan letter to Senator Shelby urging GSE reform. Many Democrats and Republicans signed this letter urging the Senate to act.
    January 2007
    Democrats take control of the House and Senate; Barney Frank is named Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.
    March 28, 2007
    The House Financial Services Committee passes H.R. 1427, the GSE reform bill, by a vote of 49-15. The legislation had the support of the Bush Administration and represented a tougher bill than the 2005 effort. Incredibly, 19 Republicans opposed the bill.
    May 22, 2007

    The House of Representatives passes H.R. 1427, by a vote of 313-104. All opposition came from Republicans.
    January, 2008
    Chairman Frank offers to insert both GSE reform and FHA reform into the stimulus bill that was being negotiated by Democrats and Republicans in Congress and the Bush Administration. Secretary Paulson declined, citing opposition from the White House.
    May 8, 2008
    House of Representatives passes H.R. 3221, which contains GSE reform provision, after receiving the Senate amendments to the original bill.
    May 20, 2008
    The Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee passes a bill containing GSE Reform provisions- The Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008.
    July 11, 2008
    The United States Senate passes GSE reform as part of a bigger bill.
    July 30, 2008
    President Bush signs GSE reform as part of H.R. 3221



    https://financialservices.house.gov...11/timeline_for_fannie_freddie_regulation.pdf

    That’s every bill attempting to regulate fanny and Freddie from 2001-2007. It’s also the voting record showing republicans killed every one of them.[/QUOTE]

    Yes, yes it is :) Bush tried to get regulation reform but Barney and Chris said he and the Republicans were fear monfering and that there was nothing wrong and no foreseeable problems on the horizon :) But you will never see any of that, we have tried, so just believe what makes you feel, well, like a Leftists :)
     
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    I literally just refuted this with the actual congressional voting record, lol.
     
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    Uh huh :)
     
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    I know. Empirical facts clash with your ideology so you have to ignore them. But that doesn’t actually make them go away. You were given the congressional voting record showing republicans killed every single one of those bills, which directly caused the collapse.
     
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    Very nice. I don't see Michelle running and winning because unlike her husband she isn't personable. She's rather like Hillary Clinton in that she comes across angry or bitter or simply mean as a snake despite all the hot hair that the MSM blows up the nation's skirt regarding her Highness Michelle. Still it is something to watch for.

    But as to Warren; while I think that she is going to be the candidate that the corrupt DNC pre-selects for the nomination, I don't think that she can actually beat Trump. But time will tell.
     
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    Ok. It just seemed with all the candidates who’ve been featured in the news etc. and talked about the debate would have been discussed more. I’ll just have to wait for discussion by Democrats/Progressives of the platforms and ideas of the candidates. :)

    Considering his history with sexual perversions Pee Wee seems like an odd choice.
     
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    I guess because no one was talking about how small their tiny orange dong is?

    Yes, it's the Dems who are the clowns. :roll:
     
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    During a break last night, some guy pointed out that Trump won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin by a combined total of less than 75,000 votes, showing the most obvious strategy regardless of nominee.
     
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    Uh huh :)
     
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    See what I mean. Lol
     
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    Hell I saw that LONG time ago.. That's why I saved the record :)
     
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    It’s amusing you think an out of context YouTube video somehow makes the congressional voting record I gave you go away, lol
     
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    Yeah Biden with no handlers to keep him from biting off his own toes.
     
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    The field currently is far too large with some candidates barely heard from.Certain candidates are getting far more air time than others??
     

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