I am proof that Covid is real

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  1. Peter the Roman

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    You can write more silly things, or more propaganda, or capital letters. And you can order me to shut up, but you can't. Mi country is Spain and Franco (the former dictator) died, a long time ago.

    Probably you have not even read my post and what I pasted from the Perth Group there. Despite that, you come here saying that you knew quite a lot about them. But then you compared them to Duesberg (their theory and Duesberg's one have practically nothing in common), and you got surprised when I said semen into the rectum can lead to a positive "HIV" test (one cornerstone of their theory). I suspect you don't even knew that, according to them, oxidation is the cause of AIDS.

    So you knew very little about them, and worse, you don't want to read and learn, so you continue knowing little about them. Despite that, you try to discredit them and you insult them.

    Maybe I should not do this, but because I have quite a lot of patient, I am going to ask you about that study I put in my previous two posts, this time without any italic letters from Perth Group's links. So, for the third time, and pasting the complete paragraph from the study (so you can not say is "out of context"), I ask you what the bold letters (emphasis mine) suggest to you:

    RELATION OF SEXUAL PRACTICE AND OTHER SEROLOGIC FINDINGS TO SEROPOSITIVITY
    In the year before testing, homosexual men who were seropositive tended to have a greater number of sexual partners (p = 0.009), more episodes of receptive anal intercourse (p < 0.001), and more frequent active (p = 0.001) and receptive (p = 0.023) insertion of hands into the rectum. They were also more likely to have met partners in bath houses (p = 0.050) and to be positive for antibodies to hepatitis B core antigen (p = 0.046) and Treponema pallidum (measured by microhemagglutina-tion) (p = 0.026), and to have higher titers to cytomegalovirus (p = 0.034). They were not more likely to have ever used nitrate inhalants. Complete information about sexual practices was available for 84 men, and complete microbial serologic data were available for 41 of these 84. These data were entered into a logistic stepwise regression model. The number of episodes of receptive anal intercourse per year was the variable most highly associated with HTLV-III/LAV seropositivity (F = 27, p < 0.001). After adjustment for this variable, no other variable was statistically significant. Conversely, the significant relationship of receptive anal intercourse to HTLV-III/LAV seropositivity was retained if the analysis was first adjusted for microbial serologic data but not if first adjusted for the data on other sexual activities.


    Nicholson JK, McDougal JS, Jaffe HW, et al. Exposure to human T-lymphotropic virus type III/lymphadenopathy-associated virus and immunologic abnormalities in asymptomatic homosexual men. Ann Int Med 1985;103:37-42.
     
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  2. Ronstar

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    Its lunacy to suggest that anal sex is the main cause of HIV.
     
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    They were just the targeted sexually-orientated population. Now they have become the Sacred Cow.
     
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    I find it riveting to experience the passion of those who advocate the covid injections, even when there is suppressed documentation that has been released, hiding lots of dark a dirty secrets of these wonderful and magical elixirs that do nothing but maim and kill and still they chant, "take the shot, it's good for you, you'll be fine. All the damning evidence that contradicts what I claim is all bunk, but please, trust me and all the hand-picked sock puppets that spruik the junk is good". :cheerleader:
     
  5. Peter the Roman

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    If you understand "frequency of sex" as the number of episodes of receptive anal intercourse with ejaculation, and "HIV infection" as a positive "HIV" test, then yes, "frequency of sex" is the most important factor, NOT the frequency of partners.

    That supports a non-infectious cause for a positive "HIV" test, and then that cause must be semen itself.

    So saying "frequency of sex", you're saying the Perth Group is right.
     
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    To be more precise, the test detects certain antibody-antigen reactions. But there is no proof those reactions are specific to an alleged "HIV", mainly (but not only) because there is no proof the antigens (proteins) are HIV proteins.
     
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    Ironically, this paragraph you wrote has some things close to the true, specially this: "the more one has unprotected anal sex, the greater the chance of becoming HIV positive".

    Yes, if you have a lot of unprotected receptive anal sex with ejaculation with only one person, irrespective of his "HIV" test (i.e. even if he is "HIV" negative), then very probably you will get a positive "HIV" test. On the contrary, if you have unprotected receptive anal sex with ejaculation with two persons, only once with each person, irrespective of their "HIV" test (i.e. even if they are "HIV" positive) the probability of getting a positive "HIV" test is much lower.

    Because, as Nicholson et al study showed (below), the number of partners is not relevant, what is relevant is, as you said, the amount of unprotected anal sex. So the cause of a positive "HIV" test can't be an infectious cause, it must be another cause. That cause can't be other than semen itself.

    The study could have certain limitations, as the low number of participants, but it gives a strong clue about the cause of a positive "HIV" test. Unfortunately, there are not similar studies in the "HIV" literature, i.e. other studies don't take into account the amount of unprotected anal sex per se.

    I think I have made a good effort (additionally because English is not my mother tongue) to you to understand the study and what it implies. I ask you to think about this, specially if you are a medical person.

    The number of episodes of receptive anal intercourse per year was the variable most highly associated with HTLV-III/LAV seropositivity (F = 27, p < 0.001). After adjustment for this variable, no other variable was statistically significant.

    Nicholson JK, McDougal JS, Jaffe HW, et al. Exposure to human T-lymphotropic virus type III/lymphadenopathy-associated virus and immunologic abnormalities in asymptomatic homosexual men. Ann Int Med 1985;103:37-42.
     
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    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Describe the first discovered case of HIV in this country. After doing so, also answer this question:

    What particular group of people does HIV most often affect?
     
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    If he had listened to someone like you, he might be dead.
     
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    Before Omicron and several vaccinations, I worse this P100 respirator.

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    No covid.
     
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    It's not improperly called a vaccine.
    Q: "Are mRNA vaccines improperly called vacines?"

    A [ChatGPT]: "No, mRNA vaccines are not improperly called vaccines. They are a type of vaccine that uses a small piece of genetic material called messenger RNA (mRNA) to instruct cells in the body to produce a harmless piece of the virus (or a protein from the virus) that triggers an immune response. This immune response helps the body to build immunity to the virus, without causing illness.

    mRNA vaccines have been shown to be highly effective against COVID-19, and have been approved for emergency use by regulatory agencies around the world. The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are examples of mRNA vaccines that have been authorized for emergency use in several countries.

    Therefore, mRNA vaccines are a legitimate type of vaccine and are correctly referred to as such."
     
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    I never wore that respirator.

    No covid.

    Your point?
     
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    My whole family got covid in 2020 before vaccines were available. My wife, my youngest, and I all got sick. My middle son never had symptoms. My wife spent 6 nights in a hospital for nausea and dehydration, but didn't need to be ventilated.

    My now ex-wife and my youngest son got vaccinated. They both got covid again. My middle son and I have been perfectly healthy and working 60 hours/week around people and eating out every day. I tested positive for covid antibodies 8 times over 18 months. They used my blood for research and antibody therapy. My middle son and I have not gotten covid again, in spite of lengthy exposure to all strains.

    My oldest son avoided the vaccine and after 15 months in Korea, got covid and quarantined. Four days after his quarantine, he was ordered to get the covid shot or get a dishonorable discharge. He got covid again 3 months after the shot.

    Bottom line....... I trust my antibodies. The shot doesn't seem to do anything for my family.
     
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    You know what it is and your claim P100 respirators, worn properly, don't cut one's chance of getting covid is beyond absurd.
     
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    Immunity to SARS-CoV-2 is more than just antibodies and every person has a different response to infection and how their immune system reacts, the strength of the reaction, how long immunity lasts. Age and how healthy one is very important.

    The covid vaccination lessens the severity of illness in at risk populations. Presently, with more people vaccinated and the virus still circulating many are developing hybrid immunity to the virus -- it's immunity from both vaccination and an infection. There is currently some research being done related to hybrid immunity and one study found those who had received a single dose of the vaccine and had been infected were 58% less likely to get reinfected compared to people with natural immunity alone. Those with two dose hybrid immunity had a 66% lower chance of reinfection. This is extremely important for at-risk populations especially when the risk of infection far outweighs those of vaccination.

    Another thing is that natural immunity is generally best for variants you have already had and not necessarily against future variants.

    Anecdotally, maybe the shots did nothing for your family but that doesn't mean much when it is estimated that the vaccines helped prevented approximately 19.8 million deaths across the globe. I would say that's rather significant.
     
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    No I don't; you haven't stated it.
     
  17. Texan

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    However you feel about the shots, the government has no business forcing me to inject myself with an experimental therapy. This was rushed to production for a disease that was harmless to the vast majority of the population. You can't force me to taker an experimental jab to protect somebody else. I did just fine protecting my parents and my 90 + year old inlaws never got the disease.
     
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    A I said, "your claim P100 respirators, worn properly, don't cut one's chance of getting covid is beyond absurd."

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    It wasn’t an experimental therapy. So the Government has no business trying to protect the population?. You do realize more than 6,870,840 people died from contracting covid. That is significant. Without the vaccine, it would have been millions more. Unlike you, I would happily choose take a vaccine to protect others. Just like I was happy to wear a mask. It’s not all about you and your family. Why do think governments had to step in and try to the best for the whole population?
     
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    The megalomaniacs that have been running all the worlds Governments with their hand-picked psychopaths who sit at the top of their corporations have been using "KILLER VIRUS" scam as a cover story to obscure the truth and explain away their crimes against populations, for decades and decades.

    FACT!
     
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    You think that the government can mandate I get a shot for a disease I had already had? I don't trust my friends that much. Why should I trust a government or legally protected Pfizer? Our government forced my son to take the jab 4 DAYS after recovering from covid by the end of the day or face a dishonorable discharge.
     
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    Then your government has no clue about when a vaccine is needed and it certainly isn’t needed when one has just had covid and developed antibodies. I could understand if it was months and months later and antibody levels were starting to wane. What year was this? 2020, 2021, 2022?
     
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    My family had it in July 2020. I tested positive for antibodies until January 2022. That's when they stopped testing for antibodies in blood donations. My son was ordered to take the jab on 9/15/2021. His quarantine after recovering from covid ended 9/11/2021.

    That tells me that the jab is about control and profit for political donors. That sealed my opinion.
     
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    My whole family already had covid and I had ANTIBODIES. I don't need a shot for it and government has no business mandating what goes into my body. Bring charges against those who carelessly spread covid. I've hurt nobody. I quarantined an entire month until my family finished recovering.
     
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    Texan it is possible with some people one or more of the vaccines might not boost immunity in a substantial manner, i.e., more than a month or two. It is possible. The vast majority of research can and does show that natural immunity does not last as long as vaccine immunity.

    The key here is each individual may react differently so the data reflects the vast majority not the exceptions.

    That all said the reasons for getting the vaccine are well documented. Do not second guess yourself. Do not question whether the vaccine is useful or not in your case. It will just drive you nuts.

    You did the right thing by taking the shots. The reason you have caught it after taking a vaccine is probably because the strain you caught was not the one the vaccine was designed for. That would be my guess. Different strains, different vaccines, some will not work on certain strains but will on others.

    Sounds like you have been exposed to more than one strain and have some specific immunity response features others may not have.

    Just a note from me saying hey man ease up on yourself. You did the right thing.
     
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