I am tired of all the "first this" and "first that" of Biden Administration

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    There is a world of difference between what Jackie Robinson accomplished and what Harris did. There have been countless women and men of color holding federal political office. An Afro-America ball player in the formally all White league was an earthquake. If one reads his story and learns the forms of hatred he endured one would understand the enormity of his event. I saw my first Major League Baseball game in Ebbets Field where the Brooklyn Dodgers played. I was kindergarten age but by that time other " Negroes" had been hired by other teams so the the " first ever noise was already dying down.
    The Brooklyn Dodgers became my team and all I cared about was if Robinson helped my team win and we waited until the Dodgers would meet those damned Yankees in the World Series and beat them for a change with Robison no matter what damned color he was.
     
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    Are you really going to come on this board and attempt to gloss over the abject and continuing HATE of white supremacists???

    I'm happy with YOU not hating.

    Do you think I had to wait for MEDIA to understand t-shirts worn by insurrectionists on Jan 6 stating that the Nazis didn't slaughter enough Jews?

    Do you think I had to wait for MEDIA to understand Cleveland Grover Meredith, Don Bancroft (a woman with no association with Meredith) and Diana Santos-Smith when they stated during the insurrection of Jan 6 that they were there to shoot Pelosi in the face? If they were black, do you believe they would be alive today - instead of being allowed to leave the scene of the crime?

    Do you think I had to wait for MEDIA to understand when people showed up with nooses and stated they were going to kill our Vice President?

    I really don't know what the hell YOU are waiting for.

    It's like a fleeing bank robber jumped in your cab and said, "Gee, I really didn't mean to shoot those people and rob the bank."

    And, YOU believed him!
     
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    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Kindly do not paste your opinions on me. Again, at least make an attempt to learn who you are addressing, before you vomit your anger on other people, eh?

    The discussion wasn't about the stupidity on January 6. It was about people making physical characteristics important, which aren't important.

    Go sit a spell and chill, please. Take your angst out on someone else.
     
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    I'm supposed to toady to a title? Was I supposed to guess that "Collateral Damage" is a title?

    Republicans are making physical characteristics important, which aren't important.

    January 6 came into this, because it is one example.

    In general, the Republican assault on democracy is an example as well, because it IS focused on the characteristics of individuals that Republicans hate based on physical characteristics.

    You really can not claim that the Republican assault on democracy is separate from their view that physical characteristics ARE important.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "I am tired of all the "first this" and "first that" of Biden Administration"

    maybe in the next election Republicans will win and there will be no more firsts
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    If the right kind aka real Republicans win we will not have to worry about firsts. Being first for first's sake alone is not worth anything. As I said in a post earlier we will not achieve a level playing field until we do not any longer care nor make a big deal if our POTUS is Black or North American Native or any minority.

    Celebrating every damned first takes away from the person who was put into that job.We need the best in government jobs and with elected officials not just who was first.
     
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    I'll leave you to your....displeasure. When you can actually discuss a subject without the paintbrush, let me know.

    Until then, have a nice day.
     
  8. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    - I'm still curious what title you claim.

    - I still stand by the following that I stated above:
    "You really can not claim that the Republican assault on democracy is separate from their view that physical characteristics ARE important."

    When Republicans make election changes, the changes are ALWAYS oriented to disenfranchising minorities.

    And the Republican party appeal to white supremacist groups is CRYSTAL clear.
     
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    Grenell congratulates Buttigieg for being the 2nd openly-gay Cabinet member. LOL

    It would be fun to see Grenell challenge Newsom for Governor of CA.

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    In Historic First, Janet Yellen Becomes First Female Treasury Secretary To Request Ethics Waiver For Wall Street "Speaking Fees."

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    I don't claim a 'title'. I am, and have been since 1979, an independent.

    You seem to have, again, latched on to the idea that Republicans, the majority (exclusive of politicians) of which are not looking to dig into other people's wallets, are wanting to 'disenfranchise' anybody that is legal to vote and participate in society. Many ways have been provided at taxpayer's cost, to get people to the places where they can, with a modicum of effort, participate as full citizens in the process of electing the assort political figureheads that most refer to as DC weasels.

    Most Republicans, exclusive of the idiots who actually claim white nationalism, don't care what color someone's skin is, what genitalia they have or don't. There are extremists, but their count is negligible.

    Apparently, there are some on the liberal/Democrat side that think physical identity is all important or something to celebrate, something a person has no control over. Why? No one has answered that to any sane level other than to harken back to a time when things were unjust (say, a over 60 years ago?) and try to paint on people and events that exist in the majority.

    Not only do laws exist preventing discrimination, but most people understand far beyond what existed 60+ years ago. There are penalties for violating those laws, along with social rejection. Yet here we have a political group highlighting these characteristics as though they are something the individual had any say of, that they make the person 'better'.

    No one is better than another, regardless of any physical characteristic. The only thing that matters is who the person is.
     
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    I do not see any way around the FACT that Republcans in so many states are working HARD to eliminate the votes of those they hate.

    Your claim that Republicans AS A WHOLE aren't virulent, active white supremacists. And, I can believe that.

    HOWEVER, they continue to vote into power at the state and federal level those representatives who WORK to do these things.

    Some such representatives may have good hearts but no guts, thus back these acts out of abjecte cowardice. But, I don't see that as a legitimate excuse. If they are not actually reprsenting their constituents, then that is STILL on the Republican population.

    I don't actually believe you can ot figure out why equality is still an issue. But, let me help out:

    The reason that equality remains an issue is that it is guaranteed in our constitution, but is LETHALLY absent in reality. Systemic racism is evident in numerous places.

    Let's remember that systemic racism isn't just the white supremacists. It isn't just the hugely differenitial action by police. It doesn't just go to the states whiere Republicans work to deny the vote. It goes much farther than that, to include actions that aren't even intended to be racist, but are racist simply because equality was never even considered.

    As one of a million examples, it's police forces buying facial recognition software without noticing that the testing process and success rates didn't even consider those with dark complections. So, racial minorities end up with large numbers of false hits that get pursued by police who think they have just found their criminal.

    You can SAY race doesn't matter. And, I'm glad to hear you feel that way. BUT, in America it absolutely does. There is NO question of that.

    The only real question is what it would take to get America to work on reducing this problem.

    Surely one of the very first steps would be to ensure minorities can vote. And, Georgia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Arizona and a host of other states with Republican legislatures and governors want to move in the OPPOSITE direction.
     
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    You and I will never see this issue at an equal level.

    I believe that all people are equal as humans, and their character is what they have control over.

    You believe innate physical characteristics that a person has no control over decides who they are. You apparently also believe that White people, Republicans to be specific, are racist and bigoted, yet fail to understand that racism can be found across the board in all walks of life. It's by the individual, and the hyping of the physical characteristics feeds that issue.

    You view simple issues with a biased lens. 5 voting locations were eliminated around where I live in recent years. Why? Because they were inconvenient for most people, hard to staff, and by condensing voting locations, they had better abilities for checking voter registration, staffing, and attendance. Anyone who was inconvenienced by these closures, were able to call local ETHRA, 'free' (taxpayer paid) transportation to get to a voting location. There was absolutely nothing 'racist' about it. The voting locations closets to areas where there minorities, remained unchanged.

    Have you, in person, gone to the areas where the minorities claim they are being disenfranchised? Or are you basing your concerns on information someone else told you?
     
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    Is Biden appointing people who aren't qualified? Do you think Trump appointing family members is better?
     
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    No, you clearly have NO idea what I believe, and I'd thank you for not purposfully misrepresenting me.

    I made what I believe crystal clear. So, no excuses for your "mistake".
    Whether the changes "around where you live" reduced equal access to voting in your opinion is totally irrelevat for several very obvious reasons. And, your opinion of the change is only one of those reasons.
    Going to an area is just plain silly. Going some place provides essentially ZERO information.
     
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    You made your statement, and I repeated it's basis back to you.

    So you rely on other people's information and opinions to form your own? No research?

    I asked why those locations were closed, since one of them was my voting location that they closed. It wasn't based on my opinion as to why it was done, I was very specifically told why.

    I'll repeat myself. You and I will never agree on this subject.
     
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    Oh, please. I'm pretty sure you just concocted that to be silly.
    I don't care why the officials say the location was closed.

    I care about the affect on those living there. Did it help or hurt democracy?

    And, I don't care about your region, for that matter. I've NEVER said that every location or every change is a detriment to democracy, and you KNOW that.

    What I DO know is that what Republicans in Georgia, North Carolina, Pennyslvania, Arizona and other states have done and are doing RIGHT NOW is an assault on democracy.

    Have YOU done your research?

    Do YOU know what Republicans are doing in these states?

    Do YOU know how many HUNDREDS of polling places Arizona has closed since 2013?

    Do you know how many bills Republicans are introducing in Georgia to ensure even more Republican wins in the next election?

    Do YOU know that Republicans in Arizona are working on a bill to allow state leadership to throw out election results if they don't like them - disqualifying ALL voters in the state??

    Do you know how hugely unrepresented minorities are in the North Carolina legislature due to their gerrymandering?

    I do NOT believe you have done ANY research AT ALL.
     
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    I am not saying that Biden is appointing non qualified people at all. They likely are qualified just as Gen Austin is. What I believe happens when the first this first that is emphasized is that it takes away from the fact that they are qualified. I have said it before that when the day comes thatb whena Black woman is innaugerated POTUS and someone says "she is Black " we can say " yea and so what" that is the day that we can celebrate equality.
     

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