I can't find a decent, honest Doctor who supports Conrad Murray's bizarre prosecution

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  1. botenth

    botenth Banned

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    They should speak out !
     
  2. Jason Bourne

    Jason Bourne Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I work as a PA-C in a cardiology clinic. The physician's whom I work with have categorically condemned Murray, as do I. He deserves a prison sentence and the permanent loss of his license.
     
  3. UtopianChaz

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    I think a prison sentence is a bit extreme. Murray did attempt to save MJ to the best of his ability and only used medicine under the consent of his patient. It is sad what happened and maybe Murray did not respond to the situation the best he could have bu I think a prison sentence is a bit overdoing it. The loss of the liscense I agree with however.
     
  4. SFJEFF

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    "Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter three weeks ago after a trial in which prosecutors successfully argued that Murray's reckless use of propofol to help Jackson sleep, without proper monitoring equipment, led to the singer's death.

    "We had decided the three issues we were going to focus on were the not calling 911, not having the medical equipment and him leaving the room," Franklin said. "That was the bottom line for this case."

    Testimony during the trial revealed that Murray gave propofol nearly every night in the two months before the singer's death on June 25, 2009, as Jackson prepared for his comeback concerts set for London the next month"

    Seems like the jurors made a thoughtful considered decision. They heard all the evidence and made the decision.

    The judge stated:

    Jackson died "not because of an isolated one-off occurrence or incident," Pastor said. "He died because of a totality of circumstances which are directly attributable to Dr. Murray ... because of a series of decisions that Dr. Murray made."

    Murray, he said, became involved in "a cycle of horrible medicine."

    He cited Murray's "pattern of deceit and lies. That pattern was to assist Dr. Murray."

    Maybe you should be associating with different doctors.
     
  5. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What litmus test did you use to determine which doctor was decent or honest?
     
  6. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Lose license? Yes. Prison? Too much. Lawsuit? Would be one of the unusual legit ones. There was no malevolence. Only incompetence.
     
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    How many doctors have you interviewed so far?
     
  8. SFJEFF

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    The judge and jury disagree with you.

    And they heard all of the evidence.
     
  9. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    What kind of fallacy is that statement? I would say appeal to authority, but you don't even have that. It's almost funny to think a lay jury (half of which were fans of the deceased) can make rational judgements on medical cases.
     
  10. PatrickT

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    I cannot find an intelligent American who loves his country who doesn't support.....

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    I cannot find a politically aware and honest person who supports....

    So, Bo can't find a decent, honest doctor who supports....
     
  11. SiliconMagician

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    Irrelevant, this wasn't a medical malpractice suit this was a criminal trial.

    They only had to prove negligence resulting in death, incompetence is unnecessary.

    Anyone who thinks this doctor wasn't negligent is simply.. I dunno, but not right.
     
  12. SFJEFF

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    Exactly. And it wasn't simply negligence- it was gross negligence. And he tried to cover it up afterwards.
     
  13. LiveUninhibited

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    You're reciting what the law is as you see it, not how things should be. So we're arguing on different planes. It's fairly amazing that the standards would be lower for a criminal trial than a civil trial. No, I don't think lay juries should decide either scenario.
     
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    is at what dollar value does a physician become a de facto drug dealer? At $150 K/month, I can assure you that he did not want to see Jackson die. Agree with the statements that a loss of a license is a given, however, jail time is ridiculous. Why didn't Jackson wait in line like the rest of the suckers in the USA and be denied the drug? This, of course, opens the door to Senate and Congress. At what point in the practice of lobbyist influence does the politician assume responsibility?
     
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    I just do not understand it: First prosecutors are trying to put MJ away for life. Then when his doctor enables him to accidentally kill himself, they want to punish the doctor. ???

    Prosecutors wanted to imprison MJ for life, yet MJ was able to ellude their efforts by throwing millions of dollars to buy high priced lawyers. Now prosecutors have a problem that MJ is dead. The law just does not make sense.

    Does no one else see the inconsistency here?
     
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    The drug the Doc was getting for M (gallons are reported) is NOT a tranq, muscle relaxer etc., it is a general anesthetic which is ONLY to be used in a surgical setting with the patient hooked up to monitoring & breathing equipment and the whole procedure attended by an Anesthesiologist.

    Under anesthesia a person can be very close to death and it takes constant monitoring to make sure they don't 'go under.'

    The Doc was clearly negligent. I am not a doctor and even I know this.
     
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    Unless of course Jackson was murdered by somebody else for his money -which is more likely.
     
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    jackson paid the price for his bad choices, now the dr. needs to pay his.
     
  19. Clint Torres

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    The trial was a dog and pony show to pleas the massess and the Jackson family. Conrad was the perp in this one. Doctors all over the uSA prescribe drugs to addicts, just for the money. The purpose and intent of what Conrad did is no different than many MDs in the USA. Just that the outcome was on a very famous victim. Thoulsands of people die each year from prescription meds mixed with ETOH and other drugs. But they are not famous.
     
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    Good Point
     
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    I am a decent, honest internal medicine doctor, and I usually give physicians the benefit of the doubt on most cases. However, there is no excuse for Murray's criminal action. Propofol should not be used outside of an ICU or OR setting, let alone the outpatient setting of a patient's home, and no doctor in his right mind would even think of using such a drug to treat insomnia.

    Again, if Jackson overdosed on a benzodiazepine-class medicine used for insomina, such as valium, I would probably stick up for the doctor, but again, Murray's actions were indeed inexcusable.
     

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