"I don't think the pilot's religion is necessarily what's we should be looking for."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/germanwings-crash-pilot-captain-cockpit/story?id=29922479

Read this short article.
Co pilot had to be actively working against re entry by pilot.

It was explained much better in a news conference I saw yesterday but I really hate to waste data trying to find a video that's likely to be played 400 times on TV before this days end.

 

No, if he's a Christian, then it's just an anomoly, until Christians create the pattern and track record that Muslims have RIGHT NOW. The Crusades or the Inquisition DON'T count for RIGHT NOW.

 

Nothing new.

Sounds like pilot getting up. Perhaps to use the lu?

Tapping believed to be pilot attempting reentry.

Sounds like breathing.

A door code everyone knows.

Let's start with the last, pilot enters the wrong code, multiple times.

Next, breathing sounds. Conscious or unconscious? Is it breathing at all?

Next, taping then what could be banging. This is an air craft with thousands of moving parts traveling through the air at over 400 miles per hour, that 10 min. later crashes. Is the tapping then banging something else getting worse?

Next, sounds like pilot getting up. There is zero report of confirming conversion. No "you've got it"," back in a bit "....

A French prosecutor is not a credible source, he lacks the skill set and tools and experience necessary to make any conclusions. How do I know? No credible investigator pushes theory before an investigation.

Rarely in aviation crash investigations is the cause immediately known.

Cheers
Labour

 

I was referring to this part.

...saying that the co-pilot appears to have purposefully locked his colleague out in the minutes leading up to the fatal crash.

CEO Carsten Spohr said that the Airbus A320 in question has a code on the outside of the door that will open it "electrically and automatically" but it can be stopped by whoever remains in the cockpit.

"This can be impeded by those in the cockpit by pressing a lever that says lock and the door will be closed for five minutes," Spohr said...


The news conference I saw the little bald guy was saying one inside the cockpit would have to be actively working against one outside the cockpit to keep the door locked.
These words speak to the security systems on the plane, I don't think it was an investigator I saw and may well have been the CEO quoted in the article.
I got the impression there was more than a lever involved, he made it sound like it was more a battle of keystrokes.

Reminded me of locking my sister out of the car when she had the keys.....she turned the key I hit the lock button again and again until she finally just went and got Dad.

I don't know what happened, just passing on info from the TV.
So far, even as early as it is in this investigation, it appears intentional.
The why is the real question....I also hear this morning there was a doctors note excusing him from work that included the day of the crash but no indication as to why the doc wrote it.

Once investigators get in his tech more will likely come to light.

 

Profilers look at everything. Religion is a relevant question.

 

I was thinking it might have just been a medical issue. The co-pilot would have locked the door behind him, standard procedure for security reasons. Then for some reason he could have become unconscious, then the pilot could not get back in.

 

So if WE do it, it's a fluke, If a Muslim does it , that means ALL MUSLIMS ARE EVIL

Have you ever given a thought to like, SOME Muslims are evil? Like the ones in ISIS, and ISIS is like a big magnet for evil Muslims?

Yep, we hear ya, it's PC to not condemn 1.5 billion people for the actions of some thousands and NOOOO, can't no conservative be "PC", uh uh , lose your conservative credentials that way. Why if everybody was PC we wouldn't have bigotry or prejudice.

Oh, and most people wish the Westboro jerks et al would be violent. We could just shoot the bastards then

 

True to a point. If he is/was a Muslim at least we would have something to lean towards, but in any case of mass murder, it always seems to fall back on the mental capacities of the individuals involved. Whether it is a jilted lover who needs to take folks with him, or a financially ruined lunatic who can't bare the fact that he might have to actually get a job, or a political/religious nut job, one defining similarity is always at the forefront. They can all be identified as mentally challenged/insane, over/under medicated psychotics, or antisocially deranged personalities. This guy appears to be no exception.

 

Agreed. They need to do something about that door. Maybe a secret "accessory" the pilot and head flight attendant can wear? Before y'all start making fun of me..... I'm just tossing ideas out there.

 

Yeah yeah I agree.

My issue is with assuming or deciphering this from a audio recording. A recording of an inherently noisy environment.

Breathing? The noise level in the cockpit at cruise it's significant. With time and the proper equipment, maybe just maybe the whine of the airframe hitting and parting the atmosphere at 500 miles per can be eliminated allowing us to hear a human breath.

It's louder than you think. Imagine the wind noise in your car at 65....

Cheers
Labour

 

I saw a demo on the news. The pilot went to the bathroom. Co-pilot hit the lockout/safe button. It's designed to keep terrorists out. It was input after 9/11. I also heard that they will now be implementing the policy that other airlines use of "two crew in the cockpit at ALL times. "

 

The religion is only relevant if it's Muslim because it's the only religion in modern day that has a trademark on flying planes into buildings, blowing up markets, cafes, magazine publishers...oh you get it.

It's like pit bulls. If you see a golden retriever, you really don't think they're going to suddenly turn on you. A pit bull however WILL tear your throat out for absolutely no reason at all even when the owner claims he never hurt a fly.

It's called logic and common sense. Profiling works. Since man was carrying spears and hunting bears, they have made observations about what they see and used those observations to make informed decisions based on experience and gut feelings. It's how we survived. Well, some of us. Liberals would be dead in the Stone Age because they would first need to negotiate with the pack of wolves as they were dragging away one of their children.

 

Yesterday you made the following statement:

to which I replied:

You never responded. Would you mind clarifying this bizarre statement?

 

The fact that all 19 hijackers were muslim doesn't mean that Muslims attacked us on 911. It's pretty easy to understand. It doesn't need explaining.

 

I'm afraid it does need explaining, because it doesn't really make sense.. Everyone who was involved in the 9/11 attack was a Muslim, so on what basis can you possibly say that Muslims didn't attack us on 9/11?

 

The fact that they were Japanese doesn't mean that Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor.

/sarcasm

 

I'm not going to explain it.

But I'm sorry your disappointed that the pilot here isn't s muslim.

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Japan is a country. That country's military attacked us.

Not even close to the same thing.

 

How dare you. Japan is a peaceful country! You cannot judge 100 million people by the actions of a few extremists!

 

Is that because you can't explain it? If Muslims didn't attack us, who did? George W Bush? Space aliens? Are you a 9/11 truther? If so, why are you so shy about it?

 

Of course, as soon as a westboro loony does something the forums will be filled with hate posts about all Christians being bigoted, hating, whackos who love their guns and a made up sky fairy.

 

Does that mean we shouldn't have killed Bin Laden?
I seem to remember news coverage showing Muslims around the world dancing in the streets in celebration after 911.

 

a little off topic, although an interesting question

i think the issue is illuminated by the very existence of this thread
a pilot crashes a plane
and without any other info
we start asking about the religious terrorist issue?

fwiw, terrorism is not a new phenomena
and historically terrorism seems to be a tactic to achieve political goals, not religious goals
and in that context the specific religion of the terrorist seems to me not to be the defining characteristic of terrorism

recent history is filled with terrorist incidents carried out by muslims . and the preponderance of victims are also muslim

in another thread i was discussing homosexuality. in that discussion it was claimed that a3% frequency relegates homosexuality to being un common and outside the norm i would argue that muslim terrorists are similarly uncommon an outside the norm of islam.

 

Even more disturbing right now, lublitz shouldn't have been on that plane because of psychological disturbs, he trashed the doctor's papers so nobody could read them. So it is confirmed, there's no isis here, just a depressed german man.

 

Or he canceled the appointment. We don't know what it was for yet. MRI for a strained ligament or Electroconvulsive Therapy for Treatment Resistant Major Clinical Depression? Makes a difference to know, yes?

Cheers
Labour