I listened carefully . . .

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  1. Torus34

    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    to a number of people who identify as conservatives and/or Republicans here in the United States of America. One thing in particular stands out clearly: the importance of people taking personal responsibility. Of 'manning up', if I can be excused a sexist-tinged remark.

    Now, that personal responsibility should extend to our government which is, after all, 'us' writ large. It's the democracy of us hard-working Americans.

    And when that government gets itself into financial trouble, true American conservatives should clammer loudly for the federal Congress and Administrative branches to raise our taxes and put a stop to the destructive deficit spending.

    Who's with me? Are there any other true conservatives out there willing to do what's necessary?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    i thought I heard you live on a continent completely separate from America.

    Do We owe you money?
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    As a conservative, I'm 100% behind you on this...right after a Balanced Budget Amendment is passed. Are you with me?
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is there only one option, raise taxes?

    Why not decrease spending, shrink government, run more efficiently and economically?

    The majority of people that think increased taxes fix the issue are also the ones who think somebody else should be the higher taxes.
     
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    Torus34 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, Lil Mike.

    Why wait? Shouldn't we get busy right now and not look like we're trying to avoid our responsibilities?

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Because you will just spend the money.

    Or...maybe you were never serious about the government being in financial trouble?

    Anyway I got the response I expected; you want tax increases but no balanced budget. Thank you for demonstrating that your thread was simply a troll.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Hi, jcarlilesiu.

    We have seen how sitting around and waiting for something to happen has resulted in a continuing string of annual deficits. Raising taxes is a quick, simple, fair way to get the government out of the financial bind that our elected representatives of both parties have created.

    We can do this. It's called taking responsibility. A conservative value near the top of the list.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Hi again, Lil Mike.

    OK. I got it. You are personally taking no action at this time to help get the government out of its financial bind. I can certainly accept that if you feel that the on-going federal deficits and geometrically-increasing national debt are not significant threats to the stability of our democracy.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    The problem with this is that it is really a fight about what money is spent on not spending money.

    How about cutting future spending by a percentage across the board realizing that we can't un-spend money we have already spent?
     
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    I have to assume you have taken advantage of this opportunity?

    https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/pub...re considered an,PayPal, debit or credit card.

     
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    Hi, 557.

    Thank you for your question.

    I'm a practical person. The amount I would be able to supply personally wouldn't even register on the most sensitive governmental financial seismometer. Rather, I contact my congressional representatives and ask them to raise our nation's taxes to a level which will offset the annual projected deficit. That, Dear Reader, would register, big time. If, and it's a big 'if', I can convince enough people to do this, it will come to pass. I believe that true conservatives will be the easiest people to convince, based upon their deep belief in personal responsibility.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Following your logic -- So, if I overspend and get far in debt I should go to my boss and suggest he increase my pay?
    As repeated many times -- we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem. And I'll add to that the government has a waste our money, and give away our money, and buy votes with our money, problem.
    I consider myself a true conservative and I don't want my taxes raised. The politicians will never have enough of our money. At one time our country had no income tax -- now look what we got. Follow the trend and project where we'll end up.
     
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    Hi, Just A Man.

    How, pray tell, can you square your position with the dictum of taking personal responsibility? We have seen what the trends are should we, the people, sit by and take no action.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Interesting. You keep saying “personal responsibility” and then advocate for collective responsibility.

    To be logical your argument would have to be conservatives should call their representatives and ask them to cut spending.

    You believe it’s your personal responsibility not to fund government, but to encourage government to force others to. You believe taxation is the answer to deficits.

    Conservatives (as I understand them) believe less spending is the answer to reduced deficits and balanced budgets. So it follows logically personal responsibility for them would involve only calling their representatives and asking for less spending. And perhaps encouraging you to do the same. :)
     
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    You listened carefully and then analyzed what you heard badly. Conservatives are clamoring for a smaller, less expensive government. Raising taxes only makes matters worse because it causes government to become larger, more corrupt and incompetent. So, sadly, you have it backward.
     
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    We the people take personal responsibility action every time we go to the polls. Some take personal responsibility action by donating to political causes. Some take personal responsibility action by volunteering for political campaigns. Some take personal responsibility action by speaking up on this forum. I take personal responsibility action by obeying our laws, paying my share of taxes, and voting for the most conservative politicians. I hope I answered your question.
     
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    Indeed, I do find some merit in that argument.
     
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    You revealed that you don't really care about the on-going federal deficits and geometrically-increasing national debt and you don't really think they are significant threats to the stability of our democracy.

    Otherwise you would support a balanced budget amendment.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    Yeh, I’ll buy a panhandler a meal, but I won’t give them money when they are peering forlornly into a small brown paper bag on the sidewalk of a liquor store. :)
     
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    Logically flawed.
     
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    Faulty assumptions.
     
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    the left generally want others to pay for what they want, and when those of us who are paying the lion's share of the federal income tax object, they claim we aren't being responsible.
     
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    Yes, I’m pointing out your logic is flawed. Thanks for acknowledging that claiming personal responsibility involves forcing others to do what one isn’t willing to do personally voluntarily is not logical. Thanks for acknowledging expecting conservatives who believe in less spending, not higher taxes, to advocate for forcing others to pay more taxes is not logical.
     
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    But logical. He responded to what you said, not to what you believe.
     

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