I Think I'm Going To Vote Republican In 2012!

Despite all the harsh things I said during the Obama campaign about the Republicans, I think it's time for a "change" in this country. I think the Democrats have done their part by stabilizing the economy and putting us back on the path to becoming what we once were. But I think what they can do for this country stops right there. I LOVE this country and believe that excessive government spending "after a recession" isn't going to help and could put us right back in the same hole we were in back in 2008 - maybe even worse. This is why I've made up my mind that I'm voting Republican in 2012! If we have a Republican president and Senate, I believe they can complete what the Democrats have done and put us back on the path to prosperity. Excessive spending and "anti-business" views aren't going to do it. If you love your country, I think you should agree with me on this one. So who am I voting for? Rick Perry is at the top of my list. Even though he somewhat resembles George Bush, he seems like an aggressive politician who's main priority is JOB CREATION. I think that's exactly what this country needs.

 

We all have different lists. Here's mine.

1. Herman Cain
2. Ron Paul
3. Michelle Bachman
4. Rick Perry
6. Rick Santorum
7. Newt Gingrich
8. Sarah Palin

9. The "generic republican"
10. The garbage man
11. The child molester that lives in my neighborhood
12. The massive pile of horse crap that an equestrian left in front of my house.
13. And finally and at long last....Mitt Romney

 

Great, another Social Conservative.... I can't wait to see how much different he is than Obama...

 

Lol, the Republican's first task in office is going to be destroying jobs under the false pretense that public sector jobs aren't real jobs. I kind of want Perry to win, just so we can see how truly destructive their economic policies are. I'm in a recession proof industry, so it would be a cool experiment. Are 99% of mainstream economists right, or is the likes of Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, and Michelle Bachmann correct! I'll bet on the former... but, it will be a cool experiment like I said.

 

Who said that public sector jobs aren't real jobs? They are real jobs, but they can never create wealth because a public sector worker cannot spend money that wasn't taken out of the economy to begin with. So if a few thousand (hopefully many more) public workers have to find jobs in the private sector, they can actually contribute to our recovery not only by reducing the burden, but by creating wealth.

 

First.....My commendations for no longer voting for the complete fraud and utter lie that is Liberalism and The Democrat Party.........

Second.......grow a political spine and quit letting your vote, beliefs, and principles blow in the political winds. Jumping from one end of the political spectrum to the other, every four years, is only asking for more of the same.

Third......for the reasons you now vote against Liberalism.......for the reasons your going to dislike a President Perry.......President Ron Paul is waiting.
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So who will you vote for? Rick Perry?

"Like so many Republican officials of the Tea Party persuasion, Rick Perry despises the Environmental Protection Agency – a feeling he has expressed repeatedly in speeches, lawsuits, legislation and even a book titled "Fed Up!" Perhaps that is only natural for the governor of Texas, a “dirty energy” state where the protection of air, water, and human health rank well below the defense of oil company profits for most politicians.

But Perry has at least one other reason for smacking down those bureaucrats so eagerly. When environmental regulators do their job properly, that can mean serious trouble for Perry’s largest political donors.

The outstanding example is Harold Simmons, a Dallas mega-billionaire industrialist who has donated well over a million dollars to Perry’s campaign committees recently. With Perry’s eager assistance – and despite warnings from Texas environmental officials -- Simmons has gotten approval to build an enormous radioactive waste dump over a crucial underground water supply.

"We first had to change the law to where a private company can own a license, and we did that,” Simmons boasted after the Texas legislature and the governor rubber-stamped legislation and approvals for the project. “Then we got another law passed that said [the state] can only issue one license. Of course, we were the only ones that applied.”

Most Americans have never heard of Simmons, despite his fantastic wealth, because he wisely keeps his head low, generally refusing press interviews and avoiding media coverage. Last year a local monthly in his hometown published an article headlined “Dallas’ Evil Genius” -- a scathing and fascinating profile that examined not only his peculiar relationship with his children, who have sued Simmons and no longer speak to him, but his political machinations, corporate raiding and continuing penchant for pollution."

 

I didn't know how much Perry despises the EPA...but that certainly bumps him up in my estimation. I hope he hates the UN just as much.

 

Interesting. Republicans take note: this is the best argument for voting republican that I've heard in my entire life. As a strategy, I have to admit, it could have merit.

Rick Perry, though? The guy wants to make abortion illegal and he wants to continue discriminating against gay marriage. The second thing isn't really a deal-breaker for me but the first thing makes it almost impossible to even consider voting for him. The rest of his platform would have to be more remarkable than I can currently imagine.

And he's probably the best republican candidate I've heard of.

 

The problem isn't that Perry wants to make abortion and gay marriage illegal, the problem is that both liberals and many conservatives are so estranged from the Constitution that they don't realize the federal government should have no say whatsoever in either of those issues. Roe V Wade should be reversed and congress should stay out of the issue of definition of marriage. States should be deciding these.

 

It would still have to be a pretty stellar platform, but hypothetically that could make a reasonable compromise ... but that doesn't seem to be what Perry has in mind.

 

That's why he's not at the top of my list. Please refer to my list in post #2. It's pretty funny.

 

You have made some very good points, gregdavidson.

Especially when you say, "Excessive spending and "anti-business" views aren't going to do it. If you love your country, I think you should agree with me on this one. So who am I voting for? Rick Perry is at the top of my list."

Now even liberals are trying to put their finger on what is wrong with President Barack Obama. Does he lack leadership abilities or competence? Is he arrogant and out of touch with America? Is he a pleaser first and foremost, rather than someone who cares about getting the job done? Does he not understand how the economy works? “‘Yes, we can!’ has devolved into ‘Hey, we might,’” Maureen Dowd wrote in The New York Times.



Obama is a conflagrator. A manipulator. A magician. Watch Obama speak on this and then do that. He's a quintessential political chameleon. His well-rehearsed script is religiously taken from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals. "

 

the child molester is a good choice, but for the wrong reasons. he'd never get a chance to re-offend with SS on him 24/7/365.

 

And clearly I think that even that would be preferrable to Mitt Romney. I even started a thread on my feelings about Mitt Romney: http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-destroy-republican-party-re-elect-obama.html

 

I see, so you really do want your children to die horribly of poisonous water, radioactive food, and chemically polluted air? What a shining example of human good will!
For the record, yes, he is against the UN also.

 

The list of idiots. Thanks that tells everyone who not to vote for.

 

i live in MI. i'm prohibited by law from saying anything bad about George Romney's kids.

 

Since millions of Africans have died from malaria ever since the U.N. banned DDT, a perfectly harmless chemical that kills mosquitoes but doesn't hurt peopled, I would say that the U.N. does more harm than good. The reason most people don't know about this massacre at the behest of the U.N. is because the victims are little black children. No liberal except Oprah actually cares for little black children in Africa.

 

OK, so your such a humanitarian you are concerned about children in Africa, but not here in the USA? What has the U.N. got to do with the EPA? Your argument does not even address Rick Perry’s effort to allow a nuclear waste storage facility to be created directly over the primary fresh water reservoir of an entire community.

Like a lot of people who are against the EPA, you either represent the kind who is uneducated on the subject, or the kind of individual who only identifies the short term monetary gain you hope to achieve in the absence of the EPA.

The only thing I think is wrong with the EPA is it needs to be restructured with more strict guidelines and less corruptible investigators, but unlike you I remember what it was like before we had an EPA.

Rivers were so polluted they would catch on fire and burn for days at a time, chemical fumes from factories were causing “acid rain“, which in turn was killing off plant life and poisoning the rain water! Mercury poisoning and lead poisoning were wide spread, and smog was actually killing people with breathing problems.

Who is supposed to protect you and your children from that? Those corporations who stand to make higher profits without it? Are they going to “police” themselves? If that were true, there would never have been a need to make the EPA in the first place.

As for the argument on DDT, it seems to me like there is a risk factor to be examined more clearly, and it’s possible the scare about it was over rated, but we are even just now learning about the long term effects of unnatural chemicals in our environment, and on our selves. Africa is a very troubled place full of fun ways to die. If those kids had survived then they could die of starvation and other factors. It’s also been shown that simple Mosquito nets would reduce the malaria factor by 80% or more, if they were readily provided and the local people were educated in how to use them.

Blaming the U.N. for Malaria is like blaming gay people for AIDS, irrational and ignorant.

 

I'm acknowledging that the plight of children in Africa is far worse than anything being experienced by children here. 1 out of 4 die from AIDS on top of the millions that die from malaria. The most shameful thing about this is, most of these deaths from malaria can be avoided by a wonderful chemical discovered in the 1950's. But politics prevents us from using it.

What do they have in common? Most conservatives want them to go extinct.

I'm sure that's a load of crap. Republicans aren't the Grinch that Stole Christmas ever scheming on devious ways to kill people and take their money.

I wonder why a lot of people would be against the EPA?

States enforced their own environmental laws. Your argument is crap. Factories weren't dumping waste into rivers before the EPA came along. We did fine before it, we can do fine after it.

Really? So states did absolutely nothing to prevent pollution before the benevolent EPA came along?

Somehow liberals keep coming up with solutions to imaginary problems much like tonic peddlers created the ailment and then provided the cure.

The book is called, The Silent Spring and it was filled with the most shameful junk science you've ever seen, demonizing a chemical that has proven time and time again to be harmless to people and deadly to mosquitoes. If God is just, certain people will burn in hell for their part in banning this chemical.

The mosquito net fallacy has been a joke. Children aren't stung by mosquitoes only when they're sleeping. The 80% figure is crap since people only sleep a third of their lives.

The U.N. banned DDT, millions of African children died as a result. I know. I'm just so simple minded that I can't see past that.

 

Where exactly did you get yer education ... Bolivia ?

 

Perry /West or Perry /Palin or Perry /Coburn or Perry/DeMint ...

 

Fine. If you think it’s so “safe”, drink some of it and see what happens! I dare you!

In the meantime, if your info and data was wrong or deliberately misleading in the purpose of advocating the mass production of an artificial chemical for the sake of making a profit, all the millions of people who could die and suffer from who only knows how many health related problems and environmental impacts 10 or 20 years after a massive saturation of this “wonderful” chemical, can then find a new way to deal with super mosquitoes which have become immune to the DDT.

You clearly do not understand or comprehend how nature works or how artificial solutions always backfire in the long run. Maybe if you could actually add 1+1, you could figure it out better?

Bingo, conservatives hate them! Why do conservatives hate them? Because they stand in the way of exploitation and destructive business practices for the sake of all mighty profit, That’s why! There is always a direct line to be seen between what conservatives want and what is in their way.
Sorry, but I don’t subscribe to the “Greed is Good” philosophy, so bite me.

Yeah, that’s it, just bury your head in the sand and try to ignore it, don’t bother to look into it, just say the other guy is a liar. I suppose you were one of those who didn’t believe Bush was going to take us to war before he got elected either? Even though he told people he wanted to go finish what his daddy started in Iraq. If you want to live in bliss, fine by me, but don’t pretend to have any real arguments for me, OK?

Maybe because they are greedy, stupid, and/or both! Maybe they have stock in factories that produce poison? Maybe they would rather die of cancer than pay their taxes? Maybe they just like the idea of suffering and causing suffering?
Sorry, I can’t really answer that, because I actually want to see a better, safer, cleaner world to live in.

Right, so your environmental safety would depend on what state you lived in, and of a state like Texas is run by greed mongers like Rick Perry, we can all drink radioactive crap for it! Oh, but you “choose” not to believe things like that! Global Warming is a Myth and the Holocaust never took place, right? Would you like to add the “round” Earth to the list of things you don’t “believe” in?

It depended on what state you lived in, and most states didn't do jack.

Fine, if you think it’s imaginary, go try to live in a country where there is no oversight on pollution and environmental protection. Tell me how good it is to choke on smog and burning water. Tell me it’s better than paying your taxes and having something done about it.
Obviously you don’t even care about the environment, so you would probably never even understand what was killing you.

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Oh, so now you want to bring “God” into this! Did it ever cross your mind God created Mosquitoes, and Malaria, and the other creatures and living things that are directly effected by them? Maybe you are the one fighting God? Maybe hell awaits you for wishing death to God’s creations in the first place?

Very few things made by man are “harmless”, they all have their impacts, they all have their down sides.
Incidentally, did you happen to have stock in DDT?

No it’s not, nearly 80% of all malaria infecting bites take place when people are sleeping, that’s where the figure came from. The 20% that they don’t cover is from day time bites when they are awake.
It doesn’t matter because you are in denial and will accuse everything I use as data as “crap”, which is a word that fits your mind frame very well.

Most people do not use the nets because they don’t understand their purpose and return the “gift” unopened. That’s how many of them see it.

No you’re just so simple minded that you can’t see the purpose or value of protecting your own environment, not for the sake of you own kids or those in other countries. You chose to cling to your twisted conservative ideals even in the face of harsh reality, so as usual I wasted my time talking to a dead stump. I only hope this conversation will open a new outlook to anyone more open to reason than you.
Good day.

 

They're gonna need every vote they can get! With the cast of circus animals running in the Republican party, it is gonna be difficult!