ICU NURSE: "You're being lied to about COVID."

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Have doctors and bureaucrats been totally honest about treating COVID 19?

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  1. Betamax101

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    Why? Is there something uniquely robust about his claims that managed to survive scrutiny? I'm betting you are one of these conspiracy theorists who cling on to the batshit claim about the virus never being isolated. The problem isn't that Koch was correct, it was that he was wrong and the reasoning behind his postulates did not add up.

    The Covid-19 virus has been isolated many times - Full Fact
    "This is untrue. Covid-19 has been isolated many times. It does not need to adhere to Koch’s postulates as it is a virus, and Koch’s rules have been widely disregarded now. "

    It's almost as though you think you know and understand the subject because you are able to parrot this batshit claim.

    Koch's postulates (MPKB)
    "According to T.D. Brock at the American Society of Microbiology,1) attempts to rigidly apply Koch’s postulates to the diagnosis of viral diseases may have significantly impeded the early development of the field of virology. It also impeded the understanding of chronic disease. In 1932, Razumov noted a large discrepancy between the viable plate count and total direct microscopic count of bacteria taken from aquatic habitats,2) yet his work was dismissed, underestimate, or both – undoubtedly because it was not consistent with Koch's postulates. The faithful adherence to Koch's ideas about disease has led researchers to overestimate their comprehension of how pathogens cause disease."

    "As early as the 19th century, researchers realized that viruses invalidate Koch’s postulates because they require another living cell in order to replicate. The fact that scientists are still trying to apply Koch’s postulates to bacteria is causing an even greater array of problems. For one, bacteria in the
    L-form (also known as cell wall deficient bacteria) cannot be easily grown in the lab and can only be studied in conditions that mimic those of the human body. As Gerald Domingue, Professor Emeritus at Tulane University states, “When it comes to L-form bacteria, Koch’s postulates cannot be fulfilled because it is impossible to duplicate all the variables involved in disease expression.”"
     
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    Wow!!!!

    I deeply appreciate your joining into this discussion!





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    These sort of stories are all over the internet. They are everywhere EXCEPT in the mainstream media, though I did see a similar story just last night briefly on OAN.

    Not counting the many whistleblowers who've lost their jobs or their license to practice, the bulk of the American medical profession is complicit in crimes against humanity, active players in those crimes.

    'Stop the Shot: Caught on Tape' - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)
     
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    Really? I mean, really? Do you think he actually understands Koch's postulates? Do you think something widely disregarded by modern virology has any relevance? The whole thing is a troofah repetition and every time someone shows it to be batshit, it gets ignored. Did you not actually read the post below it?
     
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    Your argument requires perspective.

    The issue is not with Koch's Postulates (KP), but rather with the researchers who cling to the "germ theory" of disease. Germ theory begins in error from its very foundation & its numerous unproven assumptions regarding alleged pathogenic/infectious microorganisms. Germ theorists don't like KP because it is TOO stringent. But this is the very beauty of KP, for it holds germ theorists to task by exposing the weakness of the theory by exploiting its very own assumptions. In other words, germ theory requires that alleged disease-causing microorganisms operate in a vacuum, and that they affect tissue the same way no matter the condition of the tissue (ie, healthy vs weakened/damaged/dead tissue). Germ theory does not take into account the biological terrain, the environment, diet, lifestyle, psychology, allergies/sensitivities, and other potential influences...and hence, neither does KP.

    So naturally, if nature does not follow the assertions of germ theorists, then KP cannot support the germ theory because KP is based on germ theory. However, by holding germ theorists to task, KP can (and does) debunk germ theory.

    Unfortunately, the century old "germ theory" paradigm is still widely followed by mainstream medicine. Its followers approach allegedly pathogenic microorganisms in a vacuum. The reason being, modern medicine has very little clue about the complexities of what causes illness (particularly the growing epidemic of chronic illness). Thus, not surprisingly, the application of KP will fail because the approach & general line of reasoning of germ theorists in assuming a priori that "pathogenic/infectious" microorganisms basically act alone & are the prime causative agents in disease is in error.

    The ONLY means of scientifically establishing that a microorganism is the causative agent of a specific "infectious disease" is to satisfy KP. If KP cannot be satisfied, then one will always left with doubt as to what factors, how many factors, and to what extent those factors are involved in contributing to a person's disease. And this difficulty with proof becomes exponentially more problematic with so-called "viruses."

    So we should not blame or fault KP, but rather applaud KP for demanding strict scrutiny of the proponents of the germ theory & for exposing it for what it is.

    The following is some historical background you should be aware of.

    "In the 1800s, the French chemist Louis Pasteur popularized the germ theory, proposing that microorganisms are the cause of most diseases. This paved the way for antibiotics—which kill both good and bad bacteria—and vaccines—which seek to prevent single diseases.
    By contrast, Pasteur’s friend, physiologist Claude Bernard, taught that the ‘terrain’ of the human body was more important than the ‘pathogens’ that infect it. We are surrounded by, and even harbor, microorganisms in our bodies. When exposed to pathogens, we become ill if our defenses are weakened by deficiencies or toxicities. Unlike the germ theory, the terrain theory explains why some people get sick while others, when exposed to the same pathogens, do not. For this reason, it is said that on his death bed, Pasteur admitted, “Bernard was right: the pathogen is nothing, the terrain is everything.”
    Nearly 200 years later, health experts continue to ignore Bernard’s wisdom, focusing solely on finding ways to kill ever-changing microorganisms."
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    "In the medical schools of the United Kingdon and many other Western countries today, doctors are taught a lie. This lie is a particular viewpoint about disease called The Germ Theory. The scientist credited with discovering it is Louis Pasteur, also credited with finding a cure for Rabies. Pasteur has been heralded as making some of the most important discoveries of all time. Yet, when we look at the historical evidence, we see that Pasteur was an incompetent fraud!
    Not only did he NOT understand the processes which he experimented with and wrote about, but most of what he is credited with discovering was plagarized from scientists previous to or contemporary of his. For a thorough rendition of this history, you can read the full text of the 1940’s book “Pasteur, Plagarist, Imposter” by R.B. Pearson.
    Basically, it boils down to this: Both Pasteur and a contemporary of his, Antoine Bechamp, were experimenting with the process of fermentation. The prevailing theory was that fermentation was a simple chemical reaction, but the experiments of Bechamp showed that fermentation was a process brought about by microorganisms in the air. Pasteur continued to insist for some time after Bechamp’s discovery that fermentation was a process that did not require oxygen because it was a lifeless chemical reaction (called spontaneous generation). It took Pasteur many years to finally grasp the concept that fermentation of sugars is caused by yeast fungus, a living organism. When he did grasp and write about these concepts, he presented them as his own discoveries, giving no credit at all to Bechamp. So at the very least, he was a thief and aplagarizer, and at the most, a poor scientist
    Throughout their lives, Pasteur and Bechamp continued to experiment with microorganisms. Pasteur continued to adhere to the idea of Monomorphism, the belief that all microbes and bacteria have only one form. Bechamp was able to prove, however, the existence of Pleomorphism, that microbes can alter their form to appear as different germs. This discovery was confirmed by many scientists that came after Bechamp, including Gunther Enderlein.
    In his experiments, Enderlein found that every living cell contains two distinct kinds of microorganisms called endobionts (which means “inside life”). We now know these cells as Endosomes. They play an important role in cellular health. The state of a person’s health is determined by the stage of development of these organisms. Enderlein found that all endosomes that live permanently in our bodies go through three stages:

    (1) The Primitive Stage (microbe)
    (2) The Middle Stage (bacteria)
    (3) The End Stage (fungus)"
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    There exists no scientific evidence of an animal/human virion that has ever been isolated, let alone purified. Biologist/virologist, Dr. Stefan Lanka of Germany, has for years been offering $100,000 to anyone who can show or demonstrate scientific proof of the existence of the measles virus. After only one attempt by a Dr. David Bardens that failed, no one else has come forth to claim the prize. Lanka states that "What they call "viruses" are simply fragments of former cells that have never been proven to cause anything."

    Some grainy pictures are not proof of a virus, particularly since they are not in purified form, and are highly contaminated with other cellular debris/tissue. The images of so-called "viruses" emerging from cells actually resemble cellular oreganelles (such as exosomes). Dr. Andrew Kaufman tells us that the purported viruses are actually exosomes. Dr. James Hildreth of John Hopkins has even proposed that “the [HIV] virus is fully an exosome in every sense of the word.” NOTE: The clear, colorful 3D pictures of viruses commonly displayed to the public are computer/artist renderings.

    To confirm that a particle is a virion (and we're not even close to approaching whether it's pathogenic, disease-causing/infectious, or even transmissible in any way), one must isolate, then purify the particle. Alleged viruses can only be viewed with any clarity using electron microscopy, which also kills anything "alive" and denatures cells/tissue. After purification, the particle must then be opened up to extract its genetic material, and the material mapped. Even if this were ever accomplished, the same genetic material must be detected in every sick person diagnosed as being positive for the disease in question...and, even then, there's no scientific basis to conclude that said particle causes said disease. This is because, when dealing with any allegedly pathogenic/infectious microorganism, everything about the person must be taken into account to be certain that the microorganism in question (after determining it is even present, and in sufficient quantity) is the exclusive causative agent.
    In summary, the "limitations" of KP have to do with erroneous interpretations of data, along with a lack of understanding of health vs disease...not with KP itself. Essentially, scientists don't really know what they're looking at. They detect (or believe they're detecting) some allegedly infectious/pathogenic microorganism in a sick person, but haven't a clue (other than an assumption) as to what degree (if any) the agent represents a causative link to the disease in question. The patient's diet, nutritional profile/deficiencies, metabolic health, environment (particularly EMF exposure), lifestyle, medical history (including vaccination history), allergies & other sensitivities, and other potential factors/influences need to be taken into account.

    Thus, the very notion of pathogenic/infectious germs is flawed from the get-go, as the terrain (condition of the human/animal) is what is important. The "germ" is merely the clean-up crew. Still, mainstream medicine keeps blaming the flies for the garbage.
     
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    LOL! Thank you. Definitely not deserved, but flattered.
    It's great to see you again too! I see you've continued your very prolific, but informative, postings throughout the forum. Is there anything you have NOT read?!?!
     
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    Thank you.... when I was four years old I was hospitalized for seven days with bleeding ulcers.....
    when I was fourteen I was hospitalized for fourteen days with rheumatoid arthritis......

    I live in Canada..... and our winters were not so much fun for those of us with arthritis..... so.....

    I would often read two, three or even four books per week until I got married for the first time......
    then after I got divorced I was back at it again.....

    I got remarried for the third time in 2001, (according to the ancient Irish and Scottish methods anyway which was a judgment call under an extreme set of circumstances designed to defeat the purpose of the Aristocratic Privileges on The First Night after a wedding)....... and so...... I haven't gotten very many books read since 2001.... but at least I can read articles....and listen to educational material on youtube?!


    I have a theory on why we Canadians kind of scare enthusiastic American students.......
    up here in Canada we Canadian students are somewhat less distracted.... due to Canadian women wearing more clothes... due to our horrible climate................ so..... we Canadians have something of an edge at any specialty that requires a lot of reading.......

    I was tested at an IQ of merely 118 when I was about twenty or twenty one and wrote the SAT in order to try to get into Ambassador College... now I am glad that I was rejected.... ... but I really love arguing and debating with really, really intelligent and highly qualified people...........!


    I am not finished with this topic yet.... not even close.....



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    "No...... people with a UFTMWP become mass murderers."



    Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems..... Bill Gates seems to have a UFTMWP that is very different than mine.......



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    Stefan Lanka is a German biologist with a long history of pseudoscientific outbursts...
    A vaccine denier bet $100,000 the measles virus ‘doesn’t exist.’ He lost.
    March 20th, 2015
    https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-a-vaccine-denier-20150320-column.html

     
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    You're reading old material...material that Google pushes to the front pages so that readers are not provided easy access to the truth. Hence, you're not even aware that the challenge was appealed, and the challenger (Dr. Bardens) lost because the 6 "studies" he presented as proof of the measles virus were better scrutinized by real experts.

    Here is the current news that you're missing (with link provided):

    "German biologist Dr. Stefan Lanka initially offered 100,000 euros to anyone who could provide scientific
    evidence that the measles virus existed. He had initially been ordered to pay up in court after Doctor David
    Bardens attempted to claim the prize after providing the biologist with a study that had been published in a
    medical journal. At that time, a Judge in the regional court in Ravensburg, South Germany, ruled in the
    favour of Dr. Bardens in a controversial decision claiming the criteria for evidence had been met.

    The First Civil Senate of the BGH confirmed a judgment by the Higher Regional Court of Stuttgart (OLG)
    on in February 2016. The sum of 100,000 euros which was offered as a reward for scientific proof of the
    existence of the alleged measles virus did have to be paid to the plaintiff. The plaintiff also was ordered to
    bear all procedural costs.

    Five experts have been involved in the case and presented the results of scientific studies. All five experts,
    including Prof. Dr. Dr. Andreas Podbielski who had been appointed by the OLG Stuttgart as the preceding
    court, have consistently found that none of the six publications which have been introduced to the trial,
    contains scientific proof of the existence of the alleged measles virus."
    [LINK]
     
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    If there's evidence the verdict was overturned let's see it; but I'm not opening a PDF.
     
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    A simple web search will reveal numerous corroborating sources about this. Have you not done so?? Or do you choose not to?

    It's even on wikipedia here -
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bardens#The_David_Bardens_vs._Stefan_Lanka_law_suit

    By the way, have you noticed when doing a Google search that the front pages are filled with OLD (rather than UPDATED) stories about this case (ie, that Lanka "lost" and "must pay"), plus many other anti-Lanka/pro-virus articles? Even the BBC news site hasn't updated this story...and, it's at the very top of Google search results. Does this not reveal an underlying agenda to you?
     
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    You've got to love trufers! If they find a "winning" hand on absolutely anything, including this stupid strawman, they will play it! Yes, Lanka DID win his appeal, but not because the damn virus was determined to not exist and nothing to do with the papers veracity. It was 100% a legal challenge on the payment. The judge determined that it was not a bet or a competition but an award. As such, he was completely in charge of the determination for which payment was made. HE said the tests weren't good enough - they were! - therefore HE didn't need to pay. It was entirely a legal point.

    From wiki "Six publications were submitted purporting to show the existence of measles, however they failed to meet the contest requirements as set by Lanka."

    No, German ‘supreme court’ didn’t rule that ‘measles doesn’t exist’ - Africa Check
     
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    It reveals nothing but websites with better optimised metadata and content. If you search on a whole host of batshit phrases, the batshit websites come up. You must have noticed!
     
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    Of course Lanka was in charge of the criteria for proof. That's because Lanka is a molecular biologist (and educated as a virologist), the type of expert necessary to determine what kind of evidence constitutes proof of the existence of a virus. Dr. Bardens was way out of his league.

    Lanka was in fact the person who first discovered genomes of "giant viruses" in common marine brown algae in the 1990's, which he found are not at all pathogenic, but symbiotes. Using standard procedures, he was able to isolate the virus. But never has Lanka been able to find or determine positive proof of animal/human viruses, let alone pathogenic/infectious ones. And just so you know, Lanka first began to question the virus theory when he became concerned about the absence of scientific proof for HIV.

    Also, Dr. Bardens is a physician (a GP) & an entrepeneur...not a molecular biologist or lab scientist...and has conducted zero studies on his own. Bardens saw what he thought was an easy $100k, and believed all he had to do was round up a few research publications (the likes of which in med school he was programmed to accept the veracity of). In an interview, Lanka even reported that Dr. Bardens didn't feel the need to read the papers he presented to the court as "proof". And interestingly, after the appeal, no one else has come forward to accept the challenge because the evidence for viruses simply is not anywhere to be found...except, of course, in La La Land.
    And on what basis do you have that the papers presented were "good enough"? Have you reviewed all six publications? Are you more knowledgeable on this topic than the five scientists who reviewed the material?
    First, the court's verdict was based on the judgment that the material presented by Dr. Bardens provided no scientific basis to establish the existence of the measles virus. The court never concluded outright that NO measles virus exists at all, because that wasn't within the scope of the challenge, but rather that no scientific evidence was presented to prove its existence. And, this is what Lanka's challenge is all about, because he, as a scientist, has not yet seen convincing scientific proof of such a virus.

    And, predictably, wiki would post such a weak "counter-statement" (because wiki is overrun by establishment stooges) rather than acknowledge that there exists, as yet, NO scientific basis for the existence of a measles virus. And, predictably you would hone in on this counter-statement. Don't be a sore loser because the science doesn't support the establishment's narrative. Are you really following the science...or just trying to defend your beliefs?
     
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    Has it ever occured to you that our world is batshit crazy because batshit crazy "elites" are running it (which we allow), and so naturally our information services (like Google) are going to be run in a manner that benefits & protects these batshit elites?
     
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    No. It never occurs to me that your batshit account of the world is in fact not batshit.

    Twice I've responded to your own batshit about Koch and Lanka and neither have produced a response from you. You are just another typical purveyor of batshit.
     
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    Where/when have I not responded to you?
     
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    You want me to find where you haven't responded properly? Shakes head, wonders once again about this posters "logic"!
     
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    You didn't say "properly." You said I haven't "produced a response."
     
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    Take it as read! Dross, deflection and bullshit don't count. Your line of posting was/is off topic, irrelevant and garbage. The court order was for a point of law not a determination as to accuracy! How the hell could a court do that anyway and what kind of crazy person thinks that law institutes determine scientific authentication!
     
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    A court can rule on a scientific litigation by hiring experts to analyze the submitted publications. That's what the German Supreme Court did. Five experts, including the court-appointed Dr. Andreas Podbielski, concluded the 6 publications did not meet the criteria to prove a measles virus exists. Go read the ruling.
     
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    Exactly what I said! They cannot rule that it disproves the existence of viruses, which is the complete hogwash you are running with!

    No they did not. They concluded that Lanka was the arbiter of any such dealings. Enough with this off topic crap! You are using it to determine that viruses don't exist and that is just bullshit.
     
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