IDF STATEMENT "No malice in the killing of the 3 hostages"

So what? The Arab Palestinians or Jewish Palestinians had no legal claim to the area. The United Nations partitioned it into a two state solution. The Israelis wanted peace and the Arabs wanted war.

 

Hannibal Barca. Read up on him, an African military general.

 

You really want to talk about human shields?

iWouldnt if iWere you, it will get ugly.

 

That my friend is a human shield, literally.

Do let's stick to the topic

 

good thing it wasn't reversed or that shop owner would have never lived to make a video about it after

 

Do you condemn the IDF?

 

Have you through through what you wrote above before writing it? These people lived for numerous generations in this region, yes, under the thumb an repression of the unelected Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire loses a war, and instead of these people gaining freedom and self determination on this land, they are told they have a new unlelected master they must obey now, the British, and then that this new master won't allow them to live as they had, but that they must leave their homes for colonizers. In such a situation, you wouldn't have fought back? Really? I think most Americans would have if in that situation.

 

I don't play the "condemn" or "disavow this or that game", thats a leftist thing
I do believe military operations should be carried out with zero to minimal casualties and make whatever efforts are necessary to ensure that. Maybe HAMAS should start teaching by example and then Israel could follow suit?

 

There has never been a nation state of Palestine. The people in that area have lived for centuries under the control of other nations. The United Nations via the Partition plan two state solution gave them the opportunity to have their own nation. Instead they attacked Israel and lost that opportunity.

 

I don't agree with your claim here. American soldiers were punished for things like Abu Ghraib. I don't beleive IDF soldiers would be. And I believe American soldiers would be at least court martialed if they shot and killed American citizens who were escaped hostages of a terrorist group, shirtless and waiving white flags. You disagree?

Again, I disagree. I think the vast majority of the world was strongly supporting Israel after Oct 7, and I think the vast majority would excuse some collateral damage.
I think its the mass destruction of civilians, well beyond what seems necessary, coupled with the many troubling statements of ministers of the Israeli government that the ICJ has called plausible statement of intended genocide.

Yes, I agree with that. We can't expect 100% surgical precision, nor can we expect there to be no rogue military officers, etc. But we can and should expect better than we have seen from Israel.
Especially if Israel is concerned about the future and future enemies being created here, which they should be.

Israel had a slight chance of normalizing relations between themselves and many more Arab nations in the region. That won't happen now, and other nations around the world have a much more negative perception of Israel than before. The cornerstones of Israeli soft power and influence around the world had been holocaust guilt and otherwise playing the victimhood card, plus the image of being the sole beacon of freedom and democracy in the middle east. That is a much harder image to uphold when you are accused of genocide and the ICJ finds it plausible due to what you have said and done.

What should Israel have done instead? They should have tried to win over the Palestinian populace, attempting to turn them against Hamas, and making it very clear through both words and actions that Israel would do everything it could to protect them from Hamas, putting heavy emphasis on how Hamas is monstrous and how Israel isn't. Palestinian civilians should have been given as much protectoin as possible from the IDF, rather than be treated as Hamas themselves. If even escaped hostages from Israel are shot on sight with no questions asked, that very strongly sends the message to Palestinian civilians t hat Israel is their enemy and not their friend. Palestinians shoud have also been promised that they could return to their homes after leaving combat areas, and that Israeli settlers would not be allowed to move in, and then Israel should have made it clear to Israelis that such settlement activity would be severely punished. The Palestinian government in the West Bank could have been a strong ally in this, and so could Egypt have been.

Israel is famous for its intelligence agency, which somehow failed to be aware of and stop Oct 7. This demonstrates that they likely made minimal effort to infiltrate Hamas and destroy it from within. That's someting else Israel should have and still should be making every effort to do.

 

So you have no problem with those IDF soldiers using a civilian literally as a human shield?

 

I agree. Unfortunate that Israel doesn't.

Hamas is a vile terrorist organization bent on vengeance, which came to be due to years of oppression and no other means of fighting back.
Hamas isn't going to do anything good and shouldn't be looked at as an excample for anyone.
Hamas needs to be gotten rid of, and care should be taken not to create a replacement or something even worse.

 

So what? Does that mean they should not have any right to self determination and no claim to the land they have lived on for centuries?

 

I do, but I also have a problem with people ONLY having a problem when THEY do it

 

iPersonally don't bring up the human shields issue because iKnow both sides are guilty of it.

 

You fault Israei for the inability of Mossad to infiltrate Hamas and destroy it from within?? That’s ridiculous.

 

The IOF does this.

 

They are subject to the legal rulings of the United Nations after WWII. They had their two state solution and threw it away.

 

I fault Mossad for clearly making little effort to, yes. They should have known something as high scale as Oct 7 was going to happen and made efforts to prevent it.
It is inexcusible and Nettanyahu should resign as should the head of Mossad for it happening on their watch.

 

Why? They didn't opt into that. It was forced onto them. They were forced out of their homes. That's all ok because some foreign British government said so?
You really can't understand why some of them decided to fight this new foreign colonizer?

 

Mossad was not even listening.

 

Grate! I've been waiting to see evidence of Hamas using human shields.

 

I'm tired of genocidal manics making up **** to distract from their actual genocide.

 

How is Mossad supposed to infiltrate Hamas?

Hamas attacked through underground tunnels. The construction techniques are not detectable by current technology.

The great mistake of Israel was leaving Gaza in 2005 which allowed Hamas control of Gaza. Netanyahu and Mossad warned against Israel leaving Gaza for the reasons obvious starting in 2007.

 

Me too but....

I'm inclined to think that the hostages taken on October 7 were somewhat used as human shields but to little avail, since the IDF blew EVERYONE up.