If evolution is true, then obviously "Jesus" is not real.

Jesus is many previous Myths rolled up into one and re-told

think about it, would God create himself as Jesus from dirt, or enter this world though a 12 or 13 year old girls body?

even in the story, Jesus seemed more like a messenger then God himself

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Then about 25% of the world is completely delusional. That is a crisis.

 

Why? What did Jesus actually say? What did he actually claim? We have the writings of people who really did not understand him and many of the things he said. Many of the writings are slanted to what they wanted to believe. Did Jesus believe in Adam and Eve, Job etc? Of course he did. That's what he had been taught all of his life. This is probably what he studied during his middle years. If you know the culture he was, according to the Bible, at the age of 12 he was able to amaze the teachers in the Temple. This could have led to him being taken under the wing of an older teacher and trained in the Scriptures.
As a teacher (later known as Rabbi's) he would be just the itinerant preacher we read about. Believing he was a man set apart to preach, he did. There have been many who have followed in his footsteps.
I happen to be an agnostic.
Take away the miracles we have a teacher of renown. And yes, I do believe this teacher existed.

 

Good post.
Yes, if he believed in Adam and Eve then he was clearly not divine.....a liar, and not divine.

 

over 25% of the world always believes in myths, regardless of the myths of the day... be it a Sun God, a Son God, or whatever...


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Your comments have some serious flaws. For one thing Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden was just down the road from Assyria, Persia, Arabia, and Ethiopia. Genesis 2:10-14. Adam & Eve were just a couple of bigwigs in a little town called Eden. It's mentioned in 2 King 19:12. Isaiah 37:12, and Ezekiel 27:23 along with the towns of Gozan, Haran, and Rezeph. It was most likely conquered when the Assyrian Sennacherib took control of those other towns.

Third, the purpose of the Adam & Eve story is to tie all of the other major characters into a common thread that ends up with the Jesus character. It has zero to do with other people.

The town of Tyre in Lebanon and its king were also referred to being in the Garden of Eden. Unlike the other major cities and towns in the Bible Eden is more mythical than real. They have located the other towns such as Haran and Rezeph. Eden should be in their general vicinity.

Anyway, Adam & Eve and Jesus have squat to do with evolution.

 

That is slowly starting to end, as Modern Secular Humanism starts to explain more and more and more.

 

I do not think there will ever be a time that at least 25% do not believe in a myth, if not the current ones, new ones will be created

 

You do realize that all life forms on Earth are composed of otherwise dead atoms that become alive through a complex chemical and electrical process. As long as the chemical and electrical process functions the otherwise dead atoms live. When those processes are interrupted the the atoms cease to live. A better question might be what causes those processes to activate in unison?

 

Wouldn't Jesus be a product of evolution?

 

I doubt most Christians share this view.

 

I accept your concession. You never really had a chance.

 

It's a major mistake to think that distance equals age. For example, in the case of the 13.72 billion years it puts us in the center of the universe. But even if that is all there is the age distance between the two points on the ends of the diameter will be 27.44 billion years. Therefore observers at those points will claim that the universe is 27.44 billion years old while we ware claiming that it's only 13.72 billion years old. It's as silly as looking at the lights on Earth at night is claiming that the lights in Lisbon are older than the lights in Rome are because they are separated by a distance that can be measured by the speed of light.

However, in the cosmos the objects that we see at such great distances are merely optical illusions and they no longer exist as we see them. In space it's difficult to separate reality from the mirages.

 

you are a gift which keeps on giving. don't change

 

You must first have life before anything can evolve. I shouldn't have
expected you to know that.

Then where did life come from? How did it begin. You don't know but you're
willing to say anything to avoid having to answer the question. I certainly
understand the position you and the others are in.

Correct, it consistently shows that species don't become other species.

You answer and question show far more ignorance of the expansion. But if you want
to call it a bang, something had to give. Where did the matter come from? And yes
heat transfer is a very important facet of expansion. Without it nothing can happen.

 

They aren't consistent. You should read about them sometime.

Since when do they never ever answer hard question? I'll answer anything
I'm asked. It might not be sufficient. I've found non believers to be the ones
who run from anything that interferes with their dogma. Those on this forum
constantly dodge questions.

 

Look, admit that you don't know. Are you aware that you contradicted yourself?
How can non living atoms cease to live? Good grief.

A better question is how did life begin? According to science there wasn't
any life to begin with. Oh, that's the original question.

Nevermind. You don't know.

 

Where did dirt (soil) come from?

 

Evolution and Adam and Eve can both be true (except for the part about a rib,) . The gist of the subject: The answer to the old question,, " Which came first, the chicken or the egg"?

Creationists say the chicken,--- because god created everything.

Evolutionists (like me) say the Egg,--- because the egg developes from the joining of the fenale ovum and the male sperm of two disimilar creatures , neither of which can be correctly described as a chicken. the resulting egg then developes into the first true chicken.

 

If he truly believed what he had learned then he wasn't a liar. Jewish belief was in the Tanakh. Not divine I grant you.
A man said several centuries ago that man would never fly. Was he lying just because he didn't know what we know today. 'Truth' changes with each century that passes.

 

Read what he says again carefully. I think there's a crucial word you've missed. Otherwise.

 

Whether Jesus knew or not is of no consequence to me.. He knew the stories and used them to illustrate what he was teaching.. disobedience, mercy and redemption... He taught in the language that the people, who also knew the mythos, could understand.

 

LOL. Much of Christianity accepted evolution long ago, after Darwin. The only sects that did not were the fundamentalist sects, which saw their birth in America.

To the non fundamentalist sects, the RCC, the Anglican church, Episcopalians, and others, evolution was simply the way god worked it. The bible contains different kinds of language, symbolic, allegorical is probably more of that than literal language. Much of it is trying to communicate a spiritual understanding which literal language does not lend itself to. Like poetry which gives one a meaning by the use of non literal interpretation.

Of course, I don't think God dictated the bible, but that it came from the brain of man, who may have been inspired by something beyond thought. Much of it is probably intuited knowledge, revelations that seemed to come from outside of man, perhaps by psychedelics as the acacia plant in that area is full of DMT.

I would love to take hardened atheists and have them go through a few DMT sessions. So they could experience what they never knew existed in human consciousness. I think it would straighten a few up them up and fix the human arrogance they are afflicted with. LOL

 

Surely you jest. There's no hybridization across dissimilar creatures, and they must be seriously dissimilar if neither is a chicken.

Which came first? The chickens, hens & roosters, without which there can be no more fertile eggs & chickens (with due credit to Angelo Molinaro, in The Two State Universe). But every chicken is preceded by its egg stage, so it's just a matter of where you pick the starting point. Whatever chickens evolved from was left over after the extinction of dinosaurs.

A former mainstay member of the military's remote viewer team went back to the time of human origins and detected proto-humans (very apelike) who seemed to be aware of his intrusion. He got the perception that they were put there (genetically engineered) by space beings who abandoned them. The rest is history.

P.S. Welcome to the Forum.

 

?? I love how "you folks" make these defacto statements with no explanation and substance to back up your claim and expect folks to just accept that your claim is true.

Then you turn around and build up a straw-man fallacy "Abiogenesis" in hopes that no one will notice your bait and switch.

There is more to the theory of evolution than abiogenesis. Proving abiogenesis wrong does not disprove evolution.

That species evolve over time is fact and there is all kinds of conclusive evidence for this fact.

That Jesus was the "God of Abraham" is fairy tail. There zero empirical or objective evidence for this claim.