If Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages....

The Number of MOABS dropped by Israel is zero. They don't have any C-5's in their inventory. Most of what they are dropping are 250 lb smart bombs with a few 500 lbers mixed in by the way that is 29,000 lbs of bombs not individual bombs. So around a thousand actual bombs. No one since WWI counts by individual bombs.

 

That's a counter-factual that is never going to happen.

And yes of course they would stop bombing, the only purpose of the bombing is to destroy the terrorist force.

 

Not so simple, as explained above.
What would Israel define and accept as a Hamas surrender?
What would it take to count as that, and end Israel's attacks on Gaza?

 

If Hamas were to surrender there is no more reason for war. There would still be the issue of prosecuting them and replacing them as a government for Gaza. It wouldn't have to be done at the point of a gun.

 

It depends on what surrender means. It's no empty rhetoric if Israel's right to exist is secured. It does no good though if Hama surrenders, they turn over the hostages and the Hezbollah takes over the area using all of those tunnels for attacks on Israel. And, there are no civilians. All Palestinians will freely allow militants access to their homes, schools, churches, and hospitals, not to mention underneath the UN headquarters there.

 

MOABs are dropped from C-130s and Israel has C-130s

 

Well, they couldn't really get away with overtly massacring civilians. They're barely getting away with what they've been doing. Famine is their best tool to kill significant numbers for ethnic cleansing in the short term. Making gaza a living hell I think is their longer term strategy, to try to get survivors to leave voluntarily when the fighting is done. Are they really stupid enough to think a conventional war is how to destroy Hamas? I doubt it.

 

When they chant 'from the river to the sea' I don't see much difference.

 

Hamas are Palestinians. Poor and wretched Palestinians being bombed. Should we offer them sanctuary?

 

What about Islamic Jihad and the other palestinian religious nationalist groups?

What about the secular nationalists al-Fatah, the PFLP, Tanzim, Force- 17, and others?

 

The question and answer are brutal. If Japan had continued the war and we invaded months later, millions of Japanese probably would have starved to death. Millions more Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died in the invasion.

Not millions, but certainly hundreds of thousands.

Would they have surrendered? Perhaps. There's some reason to believe they would have accepted an armistice or something short of unconditional surrender.

FYI, none other than Dwight Eisenhower said he wasn't supportive--I don't know his exact words--of the atomic bombing of Japan.

 

No. We have no way to assure Americans we can weed out Hamas.

 

I don't think they were targeted. However, it appears Israel is prepared to accept Palestinian casualties.

 

There are a lot of movable goal posts for Israel around who is 'Hamas', let alone what constitutes adequate 'surrender' for the safety of Israel.

 

I was actually suggesting, based on the logic of the previous poster, we should offer sanctuary to Hamas militants themselves. They are after all Palestinians and Humans.

 

I Thought they were too big for anything but C-5. Oh well. And I still doubt that Israel has used any MOABs. they aren't precision weapons and with hostages potentially being held in those tunnels fuel air bombs. which is what a moab is, are very much contraindicated.

 

It is empty rhetoric if that's never defined. What does "Hamas Surrender" actually mean? How would Israel be convinced it has happened? Concerns over security always go on. Preserving a "right to exist" should be a reason for eternal vigilence, not eternal aggression and killing of others.

 

This is like saying kill all the dogs because some are rabid.

 

I'd like to see Gaza stop invading Israel and raping and murdering unarmed Jewish women.

 

Fascists? You mean like people that tell us what to drive? Close our schools and businesses? Force us to put things in our body we don't want? Tell us what appliances we can have? THOSE FASCISTS?

 

That's why there are things called "negotiations". Hamas hasn't offered to go to the table yet.

 

I'd like to see Israelis stop raping, murdering and torturing palestinians.

 

What you didn't define is what surrender means. There are no civilians. All "civilians" help militants attack Israel. The Palestinians don't want a two state solution. They want Israel wiped off the face of the map. They want one state, a Palestinian state.

 

Prosecute them all. There is no place on our planet for terrorists.

 

When was the last occurrence? Maybe it has. How would you decide it has? Is it based on a length of time since the last occurrence? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?

And note that doesn't answer the question.
What would convince Israel that Hamas has surrendered?

The rhetoric is that Israel will stop if Hamas surrenders, but the latter isn't defined, so it it empty rhetoric.