If killing your baby was acceptable, would more women do it?

some want the government to decide for women

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151448,00.html

 

Yes! Poor women who can actually think and feel and can suffer pain.

What about them? They were potential people and now they are not. Fetuses are not babies. They cannot think or feel or suffer. Late term abortions are a very small percentile and the vast majority of them are in fact done for medical reasons. This has been proven to you time and time again. If you are against a woman having an abortion for life-saving reasons then you are hardly worth the title 'pro-life'.

Yes, Romney is a flip flopping idiot and I believe both Obama and Romney were only interested in pushing their political careers. I have decided I will only ever vote for what I truly believe is right from now on, that is why I voted Johnson.

 

Some do not want to leave it to women to decide whether another individual human life lives or dies. Many of these women are not thinking clearly about the life of their child.

Says you.
Just because they might not realise what is happening to them does not mean it is okay. A little child who is being molested does not know that it is wrong, that does not make it acceptable.
No creature wants to be ripped apart limb by limb, even little animals. I don't believe for a second that the fetus is completely unaware that something terrible is happening to him.

Even if the fetus was "sleeping", that still does not justify harm. Just as it is not okay to kill a sleeping baby that has already been born.

 

Again, you think you can read minds! YES! Little children CAN know it is wrong, PAINFUL, and terrfying!!! What is wrong with YOU?

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did not read the link did you, the law signed by Bush, allowed the plug to be pulled on a baby against the wishes of the mother if she could not afford it

when the gov decides it becomes about money, and in this case we were talking about someone that had been born, not someone that had not been born yet

until science can prove the soul doesn't just pick the next avail shell of a body (in other words for Christians, God gives them a second chance to be born), the choice should remain with the potential mother

if God feels the soul needs to experience life... don't you think it will happen one way or the other?

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True, there may be a little hypocrisy when many pro-lifers say they want to stop abortion to save lives. But killing your baby is much worse than refusing to pay for the life sustaining medical treatment of someone else's baby. In some ways, it's more about punishing/stopping morally wrong actions than about saving lives. There is a difference between preventing the taking of an innocent life, and the saving of an innocent life. The government has far more obligation to do the former than the latter.

 

I think your right about that, I think that is why many pro-lifers are against birth control and same sex marriage, it's all away to force their morals on others (oddly most pro-lifers and pro-death when it comes to the DP)

imo... someday the process will take place in a lab.. this wont even be a issue any more as at that point, the fetus can be removed and grow on it's own.. and at that point if the potential mothers doesn't want it, she will be required to pay the potential dad child support for 18 years if he does want it

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Let's get one thing straight: most lifers are not against birth control. That's just myth spread around by feminist media. The problem is when certain people seem to think abortion is just another form of birth control, like all the rest. Also, many pro-lifers question whether it is appropriate to be showing kindergarteners how to put on condoms and have sex. Apparently some people think that's being against birth control.

 

casey anthony would be their hero...

 

I've had enough of all the baby bashing.

 

it must suck that these people have to target our most innocent, young, and small members of society to get their hate out. says a lot about their character...

 

What baby bashing? Please show us where anyone has mocked and made fun of infants/neonates.

 

False. EVERY pregnancy is potentially threatening to a woman's health or life. EVERY woman faces that risk with EVERY pregnancy. Who are you to force women to take that risk?

 

And no word yet on how he plans on forcing women to give birth....too busy whining and insulting and pouting.....can't face the facts....

 

It must suck that these people have to target our poorest, vulnerable and most unready female members of society to get their hate out, says a lot about their character ...

 

not really actually.... i dont want them dead. in fact, i dont even want them to be held responsible for the child. the only thing i ask of them is not to kill the innocent life that they created. is that so much to ask for?

 

Hang on you are the one putting Responsibility in caps and now you say you don't want them to be responsible .. make your mind up!

 

That's not all you're asking for. You're asking...well, demanding really, that a woman sustain a zef for 40 weeks within her own body, the zef using her bodily resources, taking calcium from her bones leaving her more vulnerable to osteoporosis and losing teeth in later years, stretching her muscles leaving her more vulnerable to pelvic floor damage, putting a strain on all her organs from her heart to her kidneys, more than likely causing varicose veins, hemorrhoids, stretched out skin, saggy boobs, saggy stomach, and a multitude of other damages. If things don't go perfectly during this pregnancy, she may have to give up her job because she has to stay in bed, she may not be able to take care of her other children, if she has a strenuous job, she may have to give it up even if things are perfect. When the hell of a 40 week pregnancy is finally over, she has to have her body ripped apart to give birth or cut apart for a c-section. It's easy to say "just don't kill the zef" when you don't take into account what a pregnancy/childbirth costs a woman. And it's even easier when you're male and will never face it yourself.

 

come again?

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no one is forcing women to become pregnant though....

 

But, but, but, OH! They don't hate women...oh, no....not at all....

 

Nope if if you put as much energy into getting contraception right as you do for this then the problem would decrease quite substantionally, or are you one of these who doesn't want free contraception for any sexually active person.

 

But when she IS pregnant unexpectedly, you want to FORCE her to stay pregnant regardless of the damage to HER. Then you want to pretend that it's NO BIG DEAL for her to stay pregnant. Well it IS a BIG DEAL and I want you to acknowledge that before you go spouting off about what women SHOULD do.

 

and you pretend like killing an innocent human is no big deal. you honestly have zero base when it comes to who is harmed more child vs mother. mother is inconvenienced, child is murder. conversation over.

 

and you want the government... all of us taxpayers to pay for other people's contraception? thats a fair deal, as long as all the people using my taxes for their contraception buy me my video games, some new shoes, and my dvd's. seems like a fair trade dont you say?

 

"Inconvenience" is not an adequate word to describe pregnancy/childbirth, I know you do not understand that and do not have the capacity to understand that. "Murder" is not a proper description of abortion. "Child" is not a proper descriptor of a zef. "Innocent human" is also not a proper descriptor of a zef. You will not win this argument by being dishonest with language. Now you may leave this conversation whenever you choose, but it's not over by a long shot.