If The Two-Party System Gave You Rick Perry And Ron Paul Who Would You Vote For?

What a crock. If the game isn't being played by the rules, then the game isn't being played right. Either way, unlike in the coach/team dichotomy you've presented, the real measure of utility here is the freedom of individuals to act in their own sphere. And, even if you believe the mission of the country should be the scoring of some sort of goal, freedom has a long track record of success. Collectivism... not so much.

 

This is a joke right?

 

That was my impression, but everyone was taking it so seriously that I figured I'd jump in to the discussion.

 

I would vote for Ron Paul then start planning to immigrate to Australia.

 

that'd be "under the supervision of a licensed Constitutional moderate".

You know you're on the right track when both the right wing and left wing fascists are puking into the same bucket!

 

i'd throw my lot in with the crazy doctor before the used car salesman any day. he might be wrong, but it would be a genuine wrong, not a backroom deal with the devil.

 

Post-1980 public school education?

The most basic duty of the President of the United States is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, as laid out in Article II Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

Some of the President's duties are explicitly laid out in the Constitution, could you please cite where "social cohesiveness" is found? I assume this is a post-Civil War Amendment??

Again,

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.".​

Try to commit that to memory.

 

that is the book role but they also take secret oaths and that is where they must agree to protect the status quo to prevent domestic chaos as that is the biggest danger to the country because it can lead to civil unrest

this is why mainstream candidates are elected and why their more radical stances don't bare fruit once in office.

i don't trust ron paul to adhere to this secret oath one bit

 

I love you, man. You're like a babe who doesn't even know when he drops pearls of wisdom and truth from his plump lil lips!

2 Reps, 2 Dems, and pact never to allow the other guy's teeter to hit the totter. LOL!
And yet you deny the fascist reality of the American political landscape!*

Oh wait, nevermind, I remember now: you approve, desire, submission to the Imams...er, Elite.

Say again? Elites Cannot Allow (Everyone) the Freedom to Live with Their Own Choices/Mistakes?

Against his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution"?
Pulls up stool and grabs Do tell, what exactly has he promised to do that would be against his oath as president?

*I'm still waiting for you to engage in the debate; I already started it with JavaBlack (until she squealed nazi and ran from the convo).

 

Another pearl, you're too rich. Secret oaths, secret clubs. Like, er, Jekyll Island?

ROTFLMFAO! Ya, I wouldn't trust him to adhere to that "secret oath" either -- just the Constitutionally declared, Legal one.

 

The only unrest and chaos we would see with a Paul presidency would be from riots when people realize they have to work for a living.
It would quickly sort out those who are willing to make something out of their situation, realizing they have now much more opportunity to be creative in not only working and/or creating their own businesses, but also being master of their own destinies.
Most will come around, realizing they are afforded much more freedom, having been stifled and held back by promises, having been kept with only enough to keep them somewhat sated.
Soon after, we would have more than plenty left for the disabled, elderly, incapable of working.

 

Ron Paul Polling Second Among Likely Voters in New Hampshire
Places far ahead of Rick Perry in Granite State survey

Read more: http://www.sunherald.com/2011/09/21...second-among.html#disqus_thread#ixzz1Yv6iEOA4

 

I like Paul but prefer Gary Johnson (and this is a troll thread, as your view of the political candidates is very limited and you seem to be an all out statist to the max.) He takes the best parts of Paul and subtracts some of the wackier tendencies (accidental incitement of conspiracy theorists, old age, his views on when life begins)...he's also a better orator and if people allowed him to talk (just like how the media tries to paint Paul as a 'fringe candidate' in order to put him at a disadvantage, Johnson is virtually ignored or referred to as the governor who 'wants to make pot legal', which he does and should support as would most sane folks, but the GOP and media ambush candidates with that stuff), he'd win many hearts. Just look up his recent GQ interview to see what I mean...he seems to be quite sincere and is a more straight-to-the-bone libertarian than Paul is.

 

Yeah. Plus, he said he'd pick Paul as his running mate. I hope that he does get the Presidency at some point, even if not in this election cycle.

 

Is this the sanest man running for president?



dear gawd you guys are young! makes me happy to see folks so young tuning in

 

Should the poll include an option for Obama?

 

Obviously, were this a real scientific poll, it would be Paul -or- Perry vs Obama.

But the author has asked for a poll between Paul and Perry.

This is still the primary/nominating cycle; not the general election (or poll thereof).

 

Is that even a question??

 

Don't you see the question mark?

 

Cheech and Chong for President.

From wiki..

Cheech & Chong are a comedy duo consisting of Richard "Cheech" Marin and Tommy Chong, who found a wide audience in the 1970s and 1980s for their films and stand-up routines, which were based on the hippie and free love era, and especially drug culture movements, most notably their love for cannabis.

Their early success culminated with the release of their first feature-length movie, Up in Smoke, in 1978. Relatively successful, it became something of a cult classic and was successful enough to warrant a sequel,

(KINDA LIKE RON PAUL EVERY 4 YEARS..)

On March 19, 2011, During their last show of the "Get It Legal" tour (Adler Theater, Davenport, Iowa) Cheech and Chong confirmed a new movie in production to be released in 2012.[citation needed]

(OR AS CONSULTANTS TO THE PAUL/JOHNSON TICKET)


In other news..
Cheech and Chong are now polling 13% or 3rd place in Sweden and they look to that to propel them into the national scene.
The press keeps ignoring them..and that means "we are on the right path.."

Another pooll has the duo beatinOBAMA by 5 ptsasthe 2 Puff and Puff toeard the fenish Line.
Anybody but obvama...POuff Puff..wow...

 

And would the real Mitt Romney please stand up

 

Seriously this is a no-brainer. Obviously Ron Paul.

 

This is from your attack Quote..

1994: Romney backed federal funding of abortion and the codification of Roe v. Wade. "Romney supports a federal health care plan option that includes abortion services, would vote for a law codifying the 1972 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion and backs federal funding for abortions as long as states can decide if they want the money, [a spokesman] said." (Ed Hayward, "Anti-Abortion Group Endorses Romney Bid," Boston Herald, 9/8/94)


Now..he has given a clue..He said he has changed his view..OR FLIPPED..
Since 94..( and by the way so have I..I at one time supported unlimited women's choice for abortions..Now I found the RIGHT position )

Read the last explanation carefully.
"as long as states can decide if they want the money, [a spokesman] said." (Ed Hayward, "Anti-Abortion Group Endorses Romney Bid," Boston Herald, 9/8/94).

States Rights over Federal law.
So whatever his position..Flip or not..HE wanted STATES to be able to decide..NOT FEDERAL LAW.
Like Obama care.
Unlike ROMNEY CARE.
I can destroy the gun thing too if you want..I already have.

 

More from the attack on Romney ..in a Perry/Paul thread ?

Mitt Romney fails the test of three key conservative issues - abortion, gun rights and same-sex marriage. Conservatives who support Mitt Romney also underestimate his weakness in the South, where the Church of Latter Day Saints is viewed with suspicion by evangelical Christians.
END.

Simple reading and rebuttal.

1. He has changed his position enough to stand on it on a National forum.
Has Perry changed his views that illegals should receive cheaper in state benefits that Americans cannot receive ?
Has Paul changed his view that a nuclear armed Iran is not a threat ?

I would think that Romney's switch to the right position FOR what ever reason still is less a deal than the other 2 positions.
Given that ANTI ABORTION groups still supported him should say something.

2. Gun Rights? The Gun lobby supported Romney with the highest endorsement.
I do support the Second Amendment. I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state. It was a bill worked out, by the way, between pro-gun lobby and anti-gun lobby individuals. Both sides of the issue came together and found a way to provide relaxation in licensing requirements and allow more people to--to have guns for their own legal purposes.
I do not support any new legislation of an assault weapon ban nature, including that against semiautomatic weapons. We have laws in place that, if they’re implemented & enforced, will provide the protection and the safety of the American people. I do support the right of individuals to bear arms, whether for hunting purposes or for protection purposes or any other reasons. That’s the right that people have..http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

more ?

Governor Romney Is A Firm Supporter Of Second Amendment Rights. Despite a heavily Democratic anti-gun legislature, Governor Romney has been able to work across the aisle to simplify and clarify gun laws in Massachusetts.

Governor Romney Helped Simplify And Clarify Massachusetts' Gun Laws For Gun Owners:

Governor Romney supported and signed into law legislation that clarified the term "loaded gun" so that hunters wouldn't have to unload their guns every time they crossed a public road in pursuit of game.
In July 2006, Governor Romney signed H. 4552, which makes exemptions for the makers of customized target pistols, who, due to a provision within state law, found it increasingly difficult to do business in Massachusetts.
On the 31st anniversary of the Gun Owner's Action League, Governor Romney declared May 7, 2005 as The Right to Bear Arms Day in Massachusetts.

http://myclob.pbworks.com/w/page/21957844/Guns

a cool site..

and here is the final nail in the old gun debate..The gun lobby itself.
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

So again..what's left.

Mormon religion.
as if he wants to convert you..or kill you..or have a crusade against you.

 

hehehehe, you so easy, NeoConBill.