If you want a strong Prez, why Trump?

There is one thing that completely baffles me about the Trump campaign. I've heard lots of people say that his followers are with him because they like strength in a candidate. If you want a strong President, why in the world would you vote for Trump? The guy's a total wimp - I would think if you were looking for strength you'd vote for anyone but Trump.

Trump is a braggart, a blowhard, and a bully. All he knows how to do is talk big. He's the sort who struts around like a peacock, until someone stands up to him. As soon as somebody pops him in the nose, he'll go running home crying for his Mommy. And then he'll try to pretend it never happened the next day.

I mean, we're talking about The Donald here, the guy who nearly single-handedly kept the supermarket tabloids in business in the 80's and 90's. We're talking about the guy who inherited his Daddy's business and promptly ran it into the ground - four times. What sort of businessman winds up in bankruptcy court four times? He's not a tycoon or a business mogul or a financial genius - he's a reality TV star. His fortune is just due to his ability to put on a good show for the camera, and that's the only reason he's not on the street begging for spare change.

You really want to hand foreign policy over to this guy? Seriously? Can you imagine him sitting across the table from Vladimir Putin? Putin's a stone cold killer - he'd eat Trump alive and pick his teeth with the bones. And when he goes to the Mexican government and tells them they're going to pay for his wall, what's he going to do when they laugh in his face and walk out of the room? Call them losers and morons? And then what? When it comes to actually accomplishing anything, Trump's got nothing.

 

You're misrepresenting him. He's not just a reality TV star and he never applied for full bankruptcy. He knows how to play politics to get his projects done. Obviously, he knows how to put on a show. However, I think he's a different person behind closed doors. My gut tells me he adjusts to his audience. When his audience is a bunch of hicks he panders to them differently than he panders to politicians behind closed doors.

 

What a foolish OP having no clue what he's talking about.

Trump took on FOX and it looks like he won. He is THE only candidate with the courage to take on a network. The rest all gravel at those billionaire media and control freak tycoons' feet.

 

I don't think it matters if you put Kermit the Frog in office.

While the President might have a say, I've come to see the office as nothing more than the spokesperson for those who actually make the decisions. The public relations head of the actual ruling body of government. In the simplest sense, each candidate is beholden to their party and a non-party candidate will inevitably be torn between the two or their varied endorsers.

 

I agree. I'd rather be Putin or Lee Kuan Yew where I wouldn't have to abide by checks and balances from inferior people. The US president is definitely not "the most powerful person in the world".

 

First of all when was the last time you seen a president in a fist fight ? How do you think Sanders would fair against Trump or that peanut farmer ? You call Trump a bully but YOU sound like a bully . Are you that naïve to think a president makes all the decisions in a vacuum ? A good leader surrounds himself with great people . My God no one could do worst than Obama or Sanders or Hildabeast !

 

look how he handled this debate thing. If he planned all of this out you want someone that machievallian negotiating for you.

1. stuck his neck out to support a cause popular to both dems and repub
2. went to war with fox building credibility with dems and the anti establishment crowd
3. made cruz and rubio the center of attention in the debate
4. made it so that the questions have to be tougher than normal for fox to prove its journalistic integrity.
5. got every other station to cover his rally instead of fox (because it is to their benefit to do so)
6. now fox has to treat him with kid gloves.

You will say the skills are not transferable with foreign policy. I will say it is. It absolutely is.

This move shows trump is not even running for the primary anymore. He is running for the general already.

 

you gotta hand it to Trump, he saw an opportunity with millions of disaffected idiots and knew how to manipulate a dopey ratings obsessed media to ensnare the ignorant hordes who were angry at libs, Obama, etc. but in denial of where most blame actually belonged, he knew it was playtime with suckers!

 

We have an oligarchy, and not a democratic republic. So even if trump were to win, how do you think the puppets in congress, both dems and repubs, all owned by the oligarchs are gonna work with trump? LOL.

The only way any person can take on this corrupt power structure, which is an oligarchy, is for that person to have millions of americans behind him, and who will then vote these corrupt oligarch puppets out of office in congress. Or, threaten them, that they will not be voted back in. And it would take a concerted effort by the voters, standing behind the president, YEARS to claw the power back from the oligarchs. So a real deal political revolution as FDR was able to muster, to take on very powerful elites.

So, the oligarchs and their puppets would castrate trump and he would be able to do very little, unless it was what the elites, the oligarchs wanted.

Of course beating an oligarchy candidate, whether its Clinton, bush, Rubio would be damned near impossible. They system isn't rigged for naught.

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We have an oligarchy, and not a democratic republic. So even if trump were to win, how do you think the puppets in congress, both dems and repubs, all owned by the oligarchs are gonna work with trump? LOL.

The only way any person can take on this corrupt power structure, which is an oligarchy, is for that person to have millions of americans behind him, and who will then vote these corrupt oligarch puppets out of office in congress. Or, threaten them, that they will not be voted back in. And it would take a concerted effort by the voters, standing behind the president, YEARS to claw the power back from the oligarchs. So a real deal political revolution as FDR was able to muster, to take on very powerful elites.

So, the oligarchs and their puppets would castrate trump and he would be able to do very little, unless it was what the elites, the oligarchs wanted.

Of course beating an oligarchy candidate, whether its Clinton, bush, Rubio would be damned near impossible. They system isn't rigged for naught.

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We have an oligarchy, and not a democratic republic. So even if trump were to win, how do you think the puppets in congress, both dems and repubs, all owned by the oligarchs are gonna work with trump? LOL.

The only way any person can take on this corrupt power structure, which is an oligarchy, is for that person to have millions of americans behind him, and who will then vote these corrupt oligarch puppets out of office in congress. Or, threaten them, that they will not be voted back in. And it would take a concerted effort by the voters, standing behind the president, YEARS to claw the power back from the oligarchs. So a real deal political revolution as FDR was able to muster, to take on very powerful elites.

So, the oligarchs and their puppets would castrate trump and he would be able to do very little, unless it was what the elites, the oligarchs wanted.

Of course beating an oligarchy candidate, whether its Clinton, bush, Rubio would be damned near impossible. They system isn't rigged for naught.

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We have an oligarchy, and not a democratic republic. So even if trump were to win, how do you think the puppets in congress, both dems and repubs, all owned by the oligarchs are gonna work with trump? LOL.

The only way any person can take on this corrupt power structure, which is an oligarchy, is for that person to have millions of americans behind him, and who will then vote these corrupt oligarch puppets out of office in congress. Or, threaten them, that they will not be voted back in. And it would take a concerted effort by the voters, standing behind the president, YEARS to claw the power back from the oligarchs. So a real deal political revolution as FDR was able to muster, to take on very powerful elites.

So, the oligarchs and their puppets would castrate trump and he would be able to do very little, unless it was what the elites, the oligarchs wanted.

Of course beating an oligarchy candidate, whether its Clinton, bush, Rubio would be damned near impossible. They system isn't rigged for naught.

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We have an oligarchy, and not a democratic republic. So even if trump were to win, how do you think the puppets in congress, both dems and repubs, all owned by the oligarchs are gonna work with trump? LOL.

The only way any person can take on this corrupt power structure, which is an oligarchy, is for that person to have millions of americans behind him, and who will then vote these corrupt oligarch puppets out of office in congress. Or, threaten them, that they will not be voted back in. And it would take a concerted effort by the voters, standing behind the president, YEARS to claw the power back from the oligarchs. So a real deal political revolution as FDR was able to muster, to take on very powerful elites.

So, the oligarchs and their puppets would castrate trump and he would be able to do very little, unless it was what the elites, the oligarchs wanted.

Of course beating an oligarchy candidate, whether its Clinton, bush, Rubio would be damned near impossible. They system isn't rigged for naught.

 

I disagree that Trump runs from a fight, what I see him do most of the time is double down then lash out with a character assassination against those who he perceives as slighting him. None the less not a good trait for president to have IMO. Although Trump is perceived by some as turning tail rather than facing Megan Kelly again.

 

Perspective is an amazing thing as from my perspective he threw a tantrum and took his ball home because he cannot stand the heat that comes from being asked the tough question... which ironically makes him like most politicians.

 

Trump has said many times that he will surround himself with experts and let them do their jobs.

I don't know why liberals have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept. Genetics, maybe.

 

Okay, so being able to get a building permit now qualifies you to be President? Really? And so what if he didn't have to go into personal bankruptcy? That's not the point - he still ran those businesses into the ground. You know what they say: once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. What's he going to do if he becomes President? Default on the national debt? Face it - this guy is at best a hack of a businessman.

Of course he adjusts to his audience. That's called being human, and we all do it. Do you act the same way with your boss as with your family? I don't care what he's like as a person. What matters is how he'd do the job of being President, and how he acts and what he does in public is a big part of that job.

ROFLMAO He threw a temper tantrum because Kelly was mean to him and asked him hard questions and then declared that he's taking his ball and going home. You consider that winning? Maybe for an eight year old. Not for a President. He thinks a Fox News host was being mean to him? What in the world is that wuss going to do when he has to deal with the Iranians?

The President is not a king. That's by design. The Constitution was explicitly written to prevent any one person or group from gaining a strangle hold on power. Our system is set up to make sure that to get anything done, you have to build coalitions and compromise with the opposition. Democracy is rule by the people; all of the people.

And even absolute monarchs still needed support to rule. King John was forced to sign the Magna Carta by his nobles, after all. Politics has always been about getting support from influential individuals and the people in general. It's the nature of the beast and always has been since the very beginning with the first tribal chiefs.

That being said, the Presidency is not an inconsequential position. Both the veto pen and the bully pulpit are powerful tools. And the President largely has a free hand on foreign policy. Appointments to the Supreme Court, executive orders, the regulatory powers of the agency... The President can probably influence the course of the nation more than any other single individual. The Presidency doesn't come with any magic wands, but it still matters.

-_- The bit about popping him in the nose was a metaphor, I didn't mean it literally. Of course a President doesn't make decisions in a vacuum, but as Bush demonstrated not so long ago the best advisers can't make up for fundamental deficiencies in a leader.

Ummm, yeah, somehow I doubt that Trump planned all this out. Isn't one of the things people like about him that he's spontaneous? As in reacting in the moment and not planning things out? However, even if he did plan it out, that may make him Machiavellian but it doesn't make him good at it. How is putting Cruz and Rubio in the spotlight good for Trump? Giving your two strongest electoral rivals free media is not a good thing. Grabbing all the attention is what's propelled Trump this far.

I'm not sure what cause popular to both Democrats and Republicans you're talking about. All I've heard come out of him are empty insults and blatant racism. While railing about how all the brown people are ruining the country may play well with the angry old white guy crowd, it's one of the best ways to get the rest of the country to look at you like something we fond stuck to our shoe.

I would also point out that Trump's event got much worse ratings than the debate. I fail to see how that's supposed to make Fox treat him with kid gloves. And I have to say that seeing "Fox News" and "journalistic integrity" in the same sentence just makes me giggle.

 

lol. Do you seriously give credibility to a skank who talked on the Howard Stern show about her breasts, her husband's penis, and having sex while pregnant? The nonsense she brought up wasn't tough. It was an obscene joke and the joke was on her. Nobody in their right mind willingly enters an arena moderated by crap like her.

 

It is very Trump like to engage in character assassination.

Thus the subjectivity of what constitutes a tough question. I think Trump calling her a bimbo proves her point.

A president has to face all sorts of less than desirable situations and how Trump handled himself speaks negatively about him from by perspective. Trump could have scored big points with independents like me if he had handled the questions in a diplomatic way. He could have easily gave a post debate rebuttal that was clarifying and diplomatic... opportunity missed. Trump is not presidential material IMO and will likely loose to Hillery as his base is not broad enough to carry him to a win.

 

Because there aren't any other candidates that are willing to do anything for the public.

 

because Trump accomplishes more before breakfast than Hillary and Bernie have accomplished in their entire lives combined. I doubt if they could build a sand castle if they combined their efforts

 

No, he described Trump very accurately.

Trump can put on a show of appearing strong for morons because he doesn't have to own anything he says. BTW, he never owns anything he says and never takes responsibility for anything, either.

He has walked away from his own bad deals four times. That is not a misrepresentation,. He left investors, bankers, employees and subcontractors holding the bag for his bad business decisions.

That's what you want for a President?????

He does pander to hicks. That's his whole campaign. Dog whistles to bigots, chest thunping jingoism, simple minded Archie Bunker nonsense for people who think politics and government are a TV show.

You can run a public relations campaign on bluster, but you can't run a nation on it.

 

Let us know when he has walked away from four Americans and left them dead rather than holding the bag.

 

I was with you until you started talking about Bush and his advisors. Bush was the worst president in the history of the United States. You can't top starting an unnecessary war in the wrong country and then bungling it and leaving chaos in the region and an economic collapse.

With approval of a democratic Congress to boot . Bush trusted the intel provided at that time . I take morals and values over the Clinton's or Obama's any day , twice on Sunday !

 

The war was Bush's idea no matter who voted with him. Besides, it wasn't a Democratic Congress.

 

4 out of hundreds. If he only screws up 4 outta hundreds of things as a president he'll have a very good track record like he does in business overall. He used the country's laws to his advantage and he'll probably look for every trick in the book to get done whatever he wants as president. He's not the greatest businessman to ever exist, but to paint him as just a great marketer and a failed businessman is a lie. He's a very successful businessman.

 

4 outta how many? Hundreds. That's a pretty good record. If you told me I'd only screw up big time 4 times through hundreds of deals I'd take that. He was smart enough to be diversified and not all in on anything so he never went bankrupt overall. If you want to call him a blowhard that's fine, but it's still an impressive business record. He also knows how to schmooze with politicians to get things done, probably as well as any businessman in the country. I do wish he found another way to get the Republicans to vote for him than going to the far right on immigration. He probably could have won this primary by hammering our trade deals alone and that would have made the General easier. I still think he can pull it off. Nobody has a shorter attention span than your typical swing voter.