Ignorance concerning Covid is taking a toll.

Early treatment, you mean PREVENTIVE CARE?

Please elaborate.

 

Speaking of ignorance you clearly didn't double check your claim.

Blacks and folks with PhD's are the most vaccine hesitant.

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Since vaccines rolled out this year the percentage of Americans who are GOP has increased by 8% while the percentage that are Dems has shrunk by 13%.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

 

Picked on of your links - and it was garbage.
Unvaccinated Texans 20 Times More Likely To Die From COVID-19, DSHS Study Shows

Fist off -- they used stats from one month .. second - no details of what these people died from - or condition of patients that died .. nor was context given.

"Unvaxed" as a whole - are not 20 times more likely to die from covid .. Thats assuming I accept this suspect number - which I don't -- but, I do accept that the vax offers protection .. so we will go with that.

The claim "Unvaccinated Texans 20 times more likely" is a lie .. a false narrative. Obese Texans - with comorbidities and pneumonia succeptibility may be 20 times more likely to die .. Those who are not in that group - and unvaxxed - do not.

On another front --
Vaccines May Do More Harm Than Good To Those Recovered From Covid-19: Experts
https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...-those-recovered-from-covid-19-experts/390974

 

Nice try.

No, a Study Didn’t Find That ‘the Most Highly-Educated Americans Are Also the Most Vaccine-Hesitant’
https://www.truthorfiction.com/no-a...americans-are-also-the-most-vaccine-hesitant/

 

Despite some ideologues still parroting anti-vax propaganda, I hope that you recognize the need to be fully vaccinated as the empirical data from around the nation amply confirms:

As coronavirus cases spike, the unvaccinated are most at risk of severe illness

Unvaccinated Deaths 20x Times Higher Than Vaccinated Population

Coronavirus: Unvaccinated residents five times more likely to catch coronavirus

COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in Minnesota dominated by unvaccinated

Unvaccinated Deaths 20x Times Higher Than Vaccinated Population

Coronavirus: Unvaccinated residents five times more likely to catch coronavirus

COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in Minnesota dominated by unvaccinated

Four local COVID-related deaths reported, all unvaccinated

Unvaccinated Arizonans 15 times more likely to die from COVID-19

Doctor: 'Pandemic of the unvaccinated' as COVID-19 surge overwhelms hospitals

Nearly three-quarters of recent COVID deaths unvaccinated

etc., etc., etc.
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Several times, Zorro reiterated the fact that California has the most Active Covid Cases, thus, “Why are we discussing Florida?”, and his source; Worldometer.

However, according to the above-average intelligent people, California’s number of Active cases didn’t make any sense.

Well, guess what; Two weeks ago, Worldometer changed California’s number of Active Cases to N/A

 

What "Propaganda" It is a fact that natural immunity gives great protection and longer protection than the vax .. none of your links show otherwise .. not that you would know having read only the headline .. posting nothing from any of those links .. which is a moronic joke .. and against forum policy for that reason.

Do you have anything to back up your claim.. anything at all - as you havn't the faintest clue whether or not the empiracal data supports your claim .. so if you have some data ... perhaps I can figure it out for you.

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Cherry-picking and distorting data is preferable to the desperate diversions, bogus sources, and gratuitous ad hominems in futile attempts to promote crackpot ideological dogma, I guess.

Nevertheless, the salient point underscored throughout the nation is that the unvaccinated are becoming seriously ill and dying at rates far greater than are the vaccinated.

Typical:

Nearly 85% of all Rhode Islanders have gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to state data. That includes over 96% of adults. While breakthrough cases have steadily increased in recent weeks, the vast majority of new cases are in unvaccinated people, state data shows. Under 7% of all patients hospitalized for COVID-19 have been fully vaccinated, according to state data.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...ospitalizations-rise/ar-AARGk2Z?ocid=BingNews
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You cling to your ideological dogma. That's unfortunate.

Natural immunity doesn’t protect you as well as the Covid Vaccines

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/sho...you-had-covid-natural-immunity-explained.html

 

So you are saying that unvaccinnated people are much likely to die from any condition than vaccinated people since you don't accept they died from Covid?

 

Try to overcome the relentless ideological dogma that has been and continues to be inflicted upon the vulnerable.

1) The unvaccinated contract, are hospitalized, require intensive care, and die from Covid at a significantly higher rate than do the vaccinated. The data from diverse, legitimate sources is overwhelming.

2) Don't fall for the false claim that "natural immunity" is a substitute for vaccination. It is a superior preventative to chugging bleach or shining a light up your trumper, but is inferior to vaccination.

Vaccines vs. natural immunity: What a new CDC study found
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November 1, 2021

Unvaccinated people who previously had Covid-19 are significantly more likely to test positive for the disease again than fully vaccinated people who have never had Covid-19, according to a recent CDC study published in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report...

The researchers found that unvaccinated people with a prior Covid-19 infection were more than five times as likely to test positive for Covid-19 than those who had been fully vaccinated and never had the disease.

In total, 8.7% of unvaccinated adults in the study who had a prior Covid-19 infection tested positive for the disease again while just 5.1% of the fully vaccinated participants who never had a prior infection did.

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, in a statement accompanying the study, said, "We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of Covid-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection."

She added, "This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from Covid-19."
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Do you know the concept of "Significant Difference" -- as per statistical analysis .. clearly not .. so as promised .. your education begins.

1) 8.7% vs 5.1% .. is not a significant difference .. near zero from a statistical perspective..
2) clearly you do not understand what you are reading .. as in what ball park .. is .. 91.3 having immunity .. vs 94.9% having immunity .. a 500% difference .. obviously this is completely false .. a math error .. and obviously you didn't look at the actual study .. and know little about such studies ... as "testing positive for covid" is a near useless indicator.

How many who have had covid .. show up in the hospital .. you know .. "real world" -- rather than lab testing .. you realize that these PCR tests are quite bad .. lots of false positives/negatives .. tests positive for the normal flue .. and so on .. .and this test gives no indication of whether someone "Got Sick" and natural immunity lasts way longer .. the vax about 3 months .. if you are lucky .. less and less with each new varient.

Now . .if we go to a better study ..The so called "Gold Standard" London Study Vaccinated just as likely to spread delta variant within household as unvaccinated: study

https://www.wric.com/health/coronav...riant-within-household-as-unvaccinated-study/

Now that is with unvaxed who have never had covid .. no natural immunity .. Not that if you are transmitting . .you are testing positive.. so . .no difference between vaxed and unvaxed ..

Another "Gold Standard" Study .. as opposed to your joke of a study where the moron writing the article has mathematical issues.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study...s-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

92,000 people in the Israeli Study .. how many in the Study you quoted .. which also showed natural immunity just as good as vaxed.

So as we see .. you running around crying "Propaganda" at my completely accurate commen "It is a fact that natural immunity gives great protection and longer protection than the vax" .... turns out that you were the one spouting "Propaganda" - 5 times more likely and your other comment "Don't fall for the false claim that "natural immunity" is a substitute for vaccination" .. completely false.

Sorry mate .. Natural immunity is just as good as the vax .. lasts much longer 5 years or more ... as per the best studies we have at this time.

 

If your ideological devotion prevents you from respecting medical expertise that does not fit your agenda, you must ignore the undeniable reality that the unvaccinated contract Covid, are hospitalized, requite intensive care, and die at rates significantly higher than the unvaccinated.

I'll go with the empirical data.

 

Ignorant Vaccine Nazis: Hospitals That Laid Off Unvaccinated Staff Now ‘Overwhelmed.’

Unvaccinated Hospital Staff valiantly fought COVID for a year while vaccines were unavailable and now Vaxxfools are laying off even those with natural immunity.

ABC News reports:

The whole reason for shutting down the economy was to prevent out healthcare system from being overwhelmed and these idiots are laying off capable people.

Forced my ass.

The VaxxClowns don't mind killing people. The "evidence is becoming overwhelming that the vaccinated are just as efficient at spreading the virus as the unvaccinated."

New UK Study Proves Vaccine Doesn’t Stop Transmission of Delta Variant.

Idiot administrators continue to defend staff firings over vaccine mandates.

 

You describe yourself to a T Natty. " If your ideological devotion prevents you from respecting medical expertise that does not fit your agenda" .. you nailed it ..

I presented you with 2 studies -- "medical expertise" as you call it .. not the best term but I know what you are trying to say.. 2 major studies you were given .. and now willfully ingnoring those studies as they conflict with your spoon fed biased - and false - state sponsored propaganda narrative known as "The Fauci Trope"

I on the other hand addressed your study .. and the data .. which did not say what you claimed . .. in fact supported my position ... my having to educate you on what you were reading .. as you were challenged by fairly straightforward math.

You meant to say unvaxed have more severe symptoms than vaxed (corrected above) - which is true in general .. but I certainly have never denied that - Sans the case of someone who has had covid - Natural Immunity - which is what we are discussing .. not the unvaxed who havn't - try to stay on page mate.

All the empiracal data we have assessed supports my claim the 2 studies I presented "Israel and London Studies" .. and your study .. that you didn't understand and I had to explain to you .. and correct the math error.

Clearly you have no ability to take off your partisan political blinders- projecting your failure onto others .. But, curious -- what "Ideological devotion" did you figure was driving my assessment ?

 

Hmmmmmm

Playing the old “shell game”? Whilst the first does show a u shaped correlation between University education and vaccine hesitance it does NOT a show correlation as to what the PHD is in. I doubt these are the number for people with PHDs in the “solid science” but may reflect more people with PHDs in non-science subjects

As for the second postulate - seems a certain KKK spin off group has been targeting people of colour with misinformation in the hope those people will sicken and die

 

Maybe this one...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ump-counties-covid-death-rate?t=1639219382337

 

Nice of you to link us to an extreme right rag!

 

While it is true that the foolish moron thinks that folks who conflicts with their opinion are necessarily Trump Fans - my arguments against Trump are the best.

What was it that you were wanting to say on the topic ?

 

Your ideological dogma prevents you from respecting the empirical data and the consensus of public health experts, epidemiologists, and virologists.

Cherry pick as you must. Distort as you will. Deny as you dare.

The unvaccinated contract, are hospitalized for, receive intensive care for, and die from Covid at a significantly higher rate that the vaccinated.

You can acknowledge that reality as repeatedly confirmed across America, or, for whatever your agenda, try to avoid it by obfuscation and/or diversion, but that's the way it is.

 

Your projecting .. I used both mine and your empiracal data. Data which roasted your nonsense claim that Natural Immunity is not nearly as good as the vax - and it is you whose idological dogma prevents you from respecting the data.

What a classic case of projection -- you failings onto others. What an embarassment.

You then embarrass yourself further by reposting misinformation ... lumping all unvaxed into one group .. a false generalization .. Not all unvaxed are Obese with multiple co-morbidities .. the risk of harm from the vax ..greater than risk of harm from the vax - than Covid -- especially since Omicron has mild symptoms so far .. and the vax don't work as well against it.

Completely lost is your argument -- unable to do anything but lame demonization of the messenger tactics - which brings us to the question you avoided - what "ideological dogma" ? you can't even support your insults Embarrasing .. just pathetic.

Come on Bumpo .. tell me of this "ideological dogma" so we can all have a good laugh at your expense.

 

Quote; It is a fact that natural immunity gives great protection and longer protection than the vax

Let’s assume you are correct.....

My question to you; Would you naturally immunize our Home Care Residents, Seniors, and people with comorbidities?

 

The issue is the choice.
Those who want the vaccine should be able to get it. Those who don’t should be allowed to take the natural immunity route.

 

Why would you want to intentionally give someone Covid ? never mind giving it to someone who is in the high risk category ?

Covid is not like chicken pox .. where you intentionally wanted to expost the child -- a much different risk reward regime.

and I am correct .. Natural immunity is far more robust .. generating ~ 16-20 different antigens .. which hits the virus at 16-20 sites ... The vax creates one - hitting the virus at one site making it much easier to evade .. and more so as the virus evolves .. as we are seeing with Omicron .. which is following the natural tendency of a virus to become more contageous (more adept at evading defenses) but less pathogenic ..

 

And it seeks out the unaborted. Stupid right wingers.