ignore our founding fathers

America was founded by many people, the founding fathers were the leaders at that time and if there had been other people America would be different. We must stop deferring to people long dead who’s lives helped to define a bygone era, America changes and we must look to the reality of our present with the past as a gentile reminder, not as a written guide, much as our constitution can never be taken at face value because of our legal system a persons life however influential must not define a people, ignore our founding fathers but remember them for their life’s work, they defined an era and we must look to define ours.

 

No, America is a super power for a reason, and that reason is our form of government.

If you wanna be a communist, just move to china.

No one is going to stop you.

I dont want your progressive communist dreams.

I want a future for my family.

 

Actually, that's the beauty of our form of government. He doesn't have to move. Just get enough communists in power to change everything.

 

I understand your position, and you're right that we should not defer to dead people.

However, in this particular case, we should defer to the PRINCIPLES those dead people enunciated by way of the document. The principles are what matter, and for the most part the American people have abandoned and ignored those principles.

 

no, the reason we are a superpower is largely our geographical location, our form of government has changed more than once, Americans are prone to self deception to believe that we are mainly a democracy is erroneous, in what way do you think my argument urges communism?

 

We dont have a democracy.

America is a constitutional representative republic.

have a nice trip

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His nazi loving daddy, george soros will spend billions to make it happen

 

so we should force them to adopt principals that are not their own, perhaps even opposing their principles?

 

The beauty of this country and the ideals it was founded upon and the ideals we've adopted into the fold are all for nothing if we stifle speech and ideas or dismiss things because they don't match tradition. This country needs people involved from all four quadrants on that political spectrum grid. We do not ever want to become a country ruled by one ideology. Ever. Not the left, not the right, not the communists, not the libertarians.

Only through the constant back and forth with compromise will we ever achieve and maintain a country worth living in. If we can get past our hubris and the illusions we create for ourselves anyway.

 

Force who?

The principles I refer to are those involving government and its proper role in a government of, by and for the people.

 

according to who?
force people who disagree with the stasis quo to accept it.

 

Stasis quo? Principals?

I have better things to do, bye bye.

 

I smell constitutional illiteracy.

If you oppose America's founding principles, you need to get the hell out of our country.

 

Modern Liberals hate history because it conflicts with their fantasy.

Best to just ignore it.

The philosophy of classic liberals like Hobbes, Locke and Montesquieu is timeless. It applies the same today as it did then.

 

1) what is the supreme court?
2) do you think that America's founding principals included a welfare state?

 

if people do not work for a thing then how can they get it? do you think american culture would accept the ideas of personal responsibility?

 

The principle this country was founded on is Individual Liberty. Before this all other people's lived for a government, religion or King. The beauty of Individual Liberty is if you desire to be shackled to a government, religion or King you are free to leave and find one that suits you. Individual Liberty does not give you the right to force others to kneel at the altar of your choice. Any clearer?

 

See Article 3 of the Constitution.

No. Now if you have a point, get to it already.

 

You interpreted the OP's thread as a call to Communism? Astonishing.

 

the interpretation of the constitution some would argue is of more importance that the content, therefor the reality is that although the public may be vaguely familiar with the content the context eludes them, we do not know what our rights really are.

 

I suppose that depends on how inclusive your definition of work is. There are myriad ways that property is exchanged and the definition of work is exclusive. For many, things like the assumption of risk, interest, and speculation fail to qualify.

The ideas of personal responsibility are easily accepted. It's the consequences that aren't.

 

Yes, there are many who are ignorant and/or contemptuous of America's founding principles, and/or constitutionally illiterate; and they're the ones who make that argument.

 

While I support the notion that the Constitution is subject to interpretation, there are many elements of the Founders' thoughts that still make sense today -- like the separation of church and state.

 

Regardless of what you think about them personally (and I agree they would be monsters by modern moral standards...they are morally inferior to modern Americans), it cannot be denied how effective their system is.

We are not forced to defer to them for anything. We can and have changed many of their laws. Our system is infinitely flexible...there is no part of it we cannot change. And they clearly intended it to be that way, even if they would not be happy with some of the changed we have made.

Laws should be interpreted based on the intent of the people that made them. If we don't like that intent, we should change the law.

 

supplanting their intent with ours?

 

AMEN! they're DEAD, we need to CHANGE a lot of what they did because it doesn't fit anymore!