Cost is a probelm, which I agree with. With the economy today, we can't afford to spend a large amount of money, for a long term profit. But, when we can afford it, we should make as much of a switch as possible. We're going to run out of oil one day. It's not about idelgoly, it's about accepting that fact. And I"m going to bed, good night.
How many country's and people guess everyday with surprising accurate results? I bet you guess multiple times a day. I can tell you are very young.
Back on topic here.80 illegals cost tax payers 24 million. There are millions of Americans that could have benefited from this.
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal." Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.. Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted. Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table". Ready? Now pay attention... Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00. Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00. Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00. Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00. Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00. Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00. Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc. Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month. Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family. Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home. Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay. Do you get it, now? If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens... You are part of the problem!
That would be the case, but both employers, pay by check. That means that Illegal here pays into social security. Both pay into welfare, as I have already established. If one kids get a government program to help them, then who cares? It's a govt. program to help out those that need it.
You said: It a matter of knowledge and past history The Chinese game is not to seek absolute victory. They seek comparative advantage by strengthening themselves and weakening America. They are succeeding An economic take over, is the same thing as taking it out. How would you know what I do with my personal life?
Jose gets "cash under the table." Jose works for less because he gets paid in "cash." Jose may receive actual cash or Jose goes to his employer's bank and cashes the check or goes to a payday check cashing outfit to get the cash. Jose doesn't contribute to FICA or FUTA or anything else.
The point of employing an illegal alien is to pay him less than the amount required to pay a citizen. One of the ways the employer accomplishes this objective is to completely avoid any and all contributions of the employer share of payroll taxes. If the employer of the illegal alien is not depositing the employer share of payroll taxes, I can guarantee the employer is not withholding and depositing the illegal alien employee's trust fund share of payroll taxes. If the employer of the illegal alien were to withhold and deposit the illegal alien employee's trust fund share of payroll taxes the employer would be unwittingly informing the federal govt. that the employer is failing to comply with the law which requires the employer to also deposit the employer share of payroll taxes. Ergo, the employer does not incriminate itself by subtracting and withholding anything from the illegal alien employee's compensation.
Just because an employee pays by check,does not mean taxes are taken out. Many businesses like contractors,pay with a check but its considered "contract labor". The employer gives them a 1099 form. After that the illegal would be responsible. Since the illegal is most likely using a fake or stolen SSN,that 1099 form is just tossed away. The point is that illegals take much more out (government programs) than they put in. This can easily be seen with this thread. In the article I posted,80 illegals received 24 million dollars worth of free treatment a year. If you do the math what I'm saying is a fact. Estimated 12 million illegals in the USA.Each one of them would have to pay 2 million dollars a year to fund those 80 illegal recipients. That would never happen. Alberts fine post says this.
Prior to Obamacare, hospitals would eat the bill if the patient could not pay. Now the hospitals will get paid when the patient can't pay with your tax money. The new laws assur payment to the medical industry. This allows for fraud and abuse. Doctors will recommend any type of exam, or treatment just for the money. Better yet, they will do this more for the indegent than those with medical insurance HMOs. Why, because the HMO's can and will deny payment just to shift the cost to the patient, and the remaining cost will go to the patient and their families. When the patient goes bankrupt and can't pay the bill, then the government steps in with Social Security and Medicare. There is a qualifying limit to how much assets you must have; less than $2800, and can't own a home. If you have more than $2800, you do not qualify. Hence pay more untill you go broke. In addition, the Medicare and Social Security has lifetime limits and annual limits on what they will pay out to medical providers. So, if you use up your wheel chair benifit (it's only one per lifetime), and it breaks, you must pay for your own or get a donation for one. If you used up all your annual ER visits, you must wait till next year to go, or pay out of pocket, in which they will withhold your monthy SS check of $900, untill the cost is paid. So there are limits to what a patient is allowed. But there are no limits to how much a doctor can make by making referrals and providing treatment. In obama care, the doctors and hospitals win because they get paid by the taxpayer, and the insurance companies win because they can stop/deny treatment and shift th burden of pay to the taxpayer. Cool eh.
