Illegals Pouring Into Our Country

Open the borders. That'll bring illegals entering the country down to 0.

 

This is not a one stop shopping game here. Like I said, it depends on the facts and circumstances. But first, we need facts and treat each child with the same respect.

 

The flood of illegals coming in to plainly mooch killed off Eric cantor's political career.

Other Republicans should take note. Their base is hot about the flood of illegal moochers.

 

Yes the problems would go away. You give the message we won't put up with it and they will stop coming here. Thats all you got to do...strenthen our security to start with. Then get that half-wit we have running our country out of there would be a good start.

 

Lol...The race card and the Hitler card in one go.
Way to make yourself completely irrelevant to the discussion, eh?

 

Yep.. Deportations are at an all time high since Obama administration... and border arrests are at an all time high.

Who are these clots that can only lie about the reality?

 

Yes. Absolutely.

 

Of course, the previous half-wit worked even harder to strengthen the security, and it was also a complete failure.

 

When those words were written, in 1883, we barely had the concept of legal vs. illegal immigration. For the first 100+ years of this country's history, there were no restrictions on immigration, only rules for becoming citizens.

In 1883, the only significant immigration restriction was the racist and xenophobic Chinese Exclusion Act, passed in 1882, which only applied to Chinese immigrants -- and which should never have been passed in the first place.

So no, that poem refers to welcoming immigrants from all over the world with open arms, period. It doesn't even consider legal vs. illegal, as that concept would have been foreign to the author.

 

Here's my proposal, which I wrote some years ago:
http://midtopia.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-manage-illegal-immigration.html

Get serious about punishing companies and people who employ illegals, increase legal immigration quotas, provide economic development assistance to Mexico and other large sources of illegal immigrants, and provide educational assistance to the only group of Americans that is directly affected by illegal immigration: high-school dropouts.

 

Right...."reality".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...amned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/

Combine the 68,000 convicted illegal alien criminals simply released by Obama and the tens of thousands showing up showing up by the bus and train load spontaneously on a daily basis and I wonder if anyone in the White House even pretends to care anymore.

 

Add in family visas, B visas -border/lazar cards (no annual cap, but limited to less than 25 miles from the border), the TN visa (limited to 5000 per year), and the H2A visas (no annual cap, as many as applied for). Mexicans have the highest immigration into the US per nation to include visas that other nations can not obtain.

 

I like to try to step away and take get a global, historical picture on things, too. So, when it comes to illegal immigration and the many arguments against it; of course some of the same arguments were made in the past. In no way does that minimize or delegitimize the concerns now.

Setting aside those debatable concerns over immigration; let's assume that opposition is nothing more than good ole fashioned American xenophobia or racism. So what?

That's the question. So what? What's the problem? Don't we have a right to be xenophobic or racist? If it means nothing more than developing policies (we're still a representative republic) that reflect public sentiment, and then enforcing those policies; all we've effectively done is kept people we don't want out of our country. We've committed no crimes against anyone. We haven't waged a war on people because of their skin color or language. We've simply made a choice as a nation, collectively and through our votes, to keep our borders, language and culture.

What's the problem?

 

>>>MOD EDIT Rule 4 Removed<<< I'm just telling folks what is going on.......not what is legal or illegal......the IRS is looking the other way to the tune of about $12 billion.......google it.......there's an Inspector General report on it that says its happening.....and its illegal but the IRS 'doesn't have the resources'.......blah, blah, blah......they are too busy going after conservative groups.

 

You pay for it of course and the leftists along with their international socialist globalist elites are very well aware of that.

Centralize everything, create a welfare state, load up war debt, welfare debt and then flood in the 3rd world immigrants.

Think taxes will be raised on business...not a chance as they'll leave and take the jobs with them. Besides the Bolsheviks soon found out they couldnt run private industry - having to bring in Western companies and expertise. Big business and Big bankers love it! Thats why they funded the Bolsheviks in the first place, like they do now with the modern day leftists. More and more debt, more and more cheap labor - the more people willing give up liberty to govt to solve their problems, the exact people who gave them the problems - by design.

The people will beg for more debt, more taxes on workers, 'more equality' much to the delight of the internationalist banksters.

Handing over that power to govt, along with allowing a police and spy state will only give them dictatorship which all leftist dreams must end at. The banking/ business elite pulling the strings will not allow their communist dream to come true - no they wont be allowing peasants to kill them and take the means of production from them.

They want centralization, they want all your earning power spent on living expenses while the govt loads up more debt on your head. Debt you never asked for. Socialism in a nutshell.

Of course along with all good international socialist, the more centralized the power the better. World govt! Kill the nation state! What better way than flooding people in who have no attachment to the country. Eventually the people have no attachment to their people, their country, its culture. We see it being built today with the UN and of course the EU. The only solution we're told is bigger further reaching govt - global govt.

 

The cost of providing services to illegal immigrants is a tiny fraction of total spending on such services, and while not fully offset by taxes and other contributions from illegal immigrants, the net effect on state and local budgets is modest -- and almost invisible on a national level.

.Here's a CBO report from 2007, and a Fact Check report on the same subject:
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-immigration.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

The main takeaway is that there are some border areas with a ridiculously high percentage of illegal immigrants. As is usual when a handful of localities bear the brunt of a national problem, those localities can be hard-hit. But on a national or even state scale, the cost is exceedingly minor. The cheapest and most effective way to mitigate the problem would be to nationalize the response, by providing federal aid to communities dealing with large numbers of illegal immigrants.

And the net effect of immigrants on Americans' income is zero.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/business/yourmoney/16view.html?_r=0

So the cost of illegal immigration just isn't that high in reality. Any effort to stop it shouldn't cost more than the problem itself.

 

Do we have the room? No. Do we have the infrastructure? No. Do we have the money? No.

But none of these things would affect you personally, would they? You just know they're likely to vote Democrat, which is all that matters.

 

For a whole of 20+ years.

Before the US became a country? Now you are talking about the Spanish, not Mexicans.

 

What complete nonsense.
http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/EITC,-Earned-Income-Tax-Credit,-Questions-and-Answers

To get the EITC (which, by the way, most economists consider the BEST anti-poverty tool currently in use), you must have an SSN and be either a U.S. citizen or a resident alien.

Go peddle your lies somewhere else.

 

Um....NO. Removals under Obama are the highest yearly avg, Returns are the lowest of any President. Deportations by Obama are 1/3 of what bush did.

 

That poem was written for the persecuted Jews in Russia, and it wasn't added to the pedestal of the statue until 1903.

 

Educate yourself sport:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/06/irs-refunds-4-billion-child-tax-credits.html

makes for a better thread if you know what you're talking about instead of posting some IRS boiler plate language......find out what's happening in the real world instead of peddling your pollyanna nonsense.

 

We've got more than enough, thanks.

And that poem is BS.

 

The amount is $4.2 billion, and it was the child tax credit, not the earned-income credit.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/05/tax-credits-for-illegal-immigrants/

And since it's legal to claim the credit for children that are U.S. citizens, the net effect of giving the IRS the resources and authority to verify such claims would be to save us about $1 billion.

We should do so, but this is a drop in the bucket, not a serious argument in the debate over what to do about illegal immigration.

 

Your vague, subjective, and biased assessment is noted for what it is. Like I said, California alone pays 10.5 billion a year, which would be a very helpful sum of money to deal with the state's obvious budget problems.

So, in typical progressive fashion, socialize the costs amongst everyone, even the areas where the people rightfully decide they don't want to deal with a bunch of needy people who have no legal right to even exist in the country.

There's no way a left-wing rag like the New York Times could make this argument, especially when they make no mention of the damage caused to wages in jobs like roofing, painting, construction, and many others. These jobs used to afford a middle class lifestyle.

You began your little post with a concession that the costs of illegals are not offset by the revenue they generate, so obviously you're not concerned about the cost. Your support of illegal immigration is based on their tendency to vote for the party of welfare dependency, also known as the Democrat Party.