Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

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  1. Yulee

    Yulee Well-Known Member

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    Actually what you posted does the opposite.
     
  2. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    On what grounds
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    He illegally armed himself and tempted fate by participating in a violent riot. His restraint should have kicked in before he became part of the riot.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    Lol.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    He illegally was in posession of that rifle.
     
  6. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    How? I just quoted you the law that says he isn’t.
     
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  7. Flynn from Az

    Flynn from Az Well-Known Member

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    You responded to my original post, in where I think I made a nuanced argument where self defense could be used in at least two of the three charges. You on the other hand have taken this absolutist position which you are entitled to have. That being said, I find a vast majority of absolutist positions lack common sense like yours does.
    Let’s put aside the facts that the 2nd amendment isn’t absolute, and that this has been repeated by the Supreme Court multiple times. Let’s also put aside that Rittenhouse was under the age of 18, and didn’t legally obtain a rife. Let’s focus on judgement. I’m talking about the judgment of Rittenhouse, and yours particularly.
    17 year old kids don’t make the best judgment calls. Like let’s say taking a *******n AR-15 where a protest, and riot are taking place. I think common sense dictates that poor judgment was used by Rittenhouse. His poor judgment led to the killing of two individuals, and the wounding of another individual. Well, you can say that these three were loathsome individuals, who used bad judgment of their own during these events, I would be inclined to agree. But, these three individual’s character isn’t going to matter in a court of law, their pass crimes are most likely inadmissible in court. Maybe Rittenhouse’s legal council can use these three individual’s past propensity towards violence, if the judge allows it, then more power to his lawyers.
    That being said, Rittenhouse’s poor judgment still led to the death of two individuals, and the naming of a third. If Rittenhouse exercised better judgment, or even had better adult supervision, Rittenhouse wouldn’t be facing the full legal might of the US justice system right now. If Rittenhouse used better judgment, he’d be starting his transition into adulthood, with all life’s possibilities in front of him.
    Unfortunately, all these “what ifs” don’t matter.
    Because of a bad judgment call, he faces the possibility of spending most of his adult life in prison. That’s a terrible thing to live with once you realize better judgment could have prevented all of that to begin with.
    Now, on to your own judgement. I don’t know you, and I’m not going to impugn your motives for feeling the way you do, because I don’t think that would be fair. That being said, I think it’s more than fair to call your judgment into question. What rational adult thinks that a 17 year old kid has the right to be armed during a damn riot, when that riot is taking place at a location that’s not even his home town. His home, and livelihood weren’t in danger. Do you think it’s sensible for a 17 year old kid to travel to a riot armed? If so, I’m curious about the mental gymnastics you preformed to reach that conclusion.
     
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  8. ShadowX

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    Wait wait wait. Is this a serious post?

    You’re talking about riots where homes and businesses were burned to the ground, people were brutally beaten to the brink of death by mobs of people and some murdered and some sexually assaulted. Residents and business owners were being threatened with violence and the destruction of their livelihoods while the cops stood down and did NOTHING.

    And you have the ****ing AUDACITY to question why American citizens showed up to defend those people and their homes and businesses? Are you ****ing serious right now?

    The problem was not the rioters burning down people’s homes and businesses. The problem was not the rioters brutally assaulting people.

    No, in your INSANE purview, the problem was the American citizens who showed up in defense of other American citizens when their government told their police forces to stand down. And when those rioters turned on those good American citizens and tried to harm them you assert its the American citizens fault because they had guns and had the temerity to show up at a riot to defend other Americans.

    Yep Kyle had poor judgment. Not the rioters assaulting people and burning down homes and businesses. Not the government who gave stand down orders to the police to not defend their citizens.

    No they had fine judgment. Kyle was the problem.

    You have GOT to be ****ing kidding me right now.
     
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  9. Flynn from Az

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    Are you serious?
    Is this a serious post?
     
  10. ShadowX

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    Far more serious than that absurdity you posted blaming the guy who was getting assaulted but not those doing the assaulting.
     
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    You completely missed the entire point. But, you apparently think it appropriate for 17 year old children to be armed at a riot.
    I hate to point this out to you, but this reflects on you on, not me. Good luck with that.
     
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    Give me a break dude we’re talking about a 17 year old. Not a 12 year old. Would you feel better if he were 18?
     
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    He’s 18, and now he faces the possibility of spend most of his adult life in prison. What don’t you grasp about that fact?
     
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    I bet he’s out before he’s 30.
     
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    Jesus.:rolleyes:
     
  16. ShadowX

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    I bet he walks free and clear
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He killed a couple people. I think he will get some time.
     
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    I pray that is time served then out the door. The two tiered justice system couldn't be any more apparent (well perhaps the treatment of the Jan 6th rowdies)
     
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    Yeah, we should encourage young vigilantes to go out, cross state lines and shoot people. Good idea.
     
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    He did but even a liberal can’t argue it wasn’t in self defense.
     
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    Nobody is suggesting encouraging that. However if the cops aren’t going to do their jobs then who do you expect to do it?

    Or do you suggest that the American citizens in those places simply suffer without police protection?
     
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    I wasn’t there so I don’t know. I would guess he either cops a plea or a jury will decide if he acted in self defense. Kids shouldn’t play with guns and live ammo.
     
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    I guess that will be decided in a court of law. When is the trial scheduled?
     
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    That is an idiotic statement.
     

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