'I'm the one at a 'disadvantage': Trans athlete who won the women's 400m hurdles at the NCAA champio

Not disagreeing with that. But the point I was making was about the argument that there would be males who would game the system.

 

It doesn't matter why, what does matter is the unfair advantage over the real women in women's sports. Stop attempting to make excuses.

 

What excuse am I making? I merely pointing out no one is going to game the system. Did you mean to reply to someone else?

 

YOU have multiple posts in this thread making excuses to justify why it's okay that the males won and are getting the scholarships rather than real women.

 

Nope. You're reading what you THINK is being posted instead of what is ACTUALLY being posted. I never said it was ok males won and are getting the scholarships rather than real women. Not once did I post anything remotely close to that.

 

How many men have boobs? Besides fat ones, who could never be an athlete.

Are you concerned for women's rights? Aren't you always against women's rights? Especially in their quest for freedom of choice?

 

I guess the trans has no balls. Like a female has no balls. But that trans has boobs.

 

Men are so much better at being women than women.

 

Proof? Or just pulling stuff from backside again.

 

NCAA Policy on Transgender Student-Athlete Participation
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for
gender transition:

1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone
for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes
of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s
team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for
Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition
may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without
changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression
treatment.8

Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate
in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.

• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may
participate on a men’s or women’s team.
• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to
gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.

You may review the entire NCAA policy by visiting http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf.

 

Now that you point that out, I see it too. And there's no way he could have boobs other than naturally.

 

Are you under the impression that a man wakes up one day and says, I am going to compete with the women today?
And that the NCAA just will allow it?
No one is that naive, are they?

NCAA Policy on Transgender Student-Athlete Participation
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for
gender transition:

1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone
for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes
of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s
team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for
Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition
may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without
changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression
treatment.8

Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate
in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.

• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may
participate on a men’s or women’s team.
• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to
gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.

You may review the entire NCAA policy by visiting http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf.

 

NCAA Policy on Transgender Student-Athlete Participation
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for
gender transition:

1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone
for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes
of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s
team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for
Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition
may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without
changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression
treatment.8

Any transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate
in sex-separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender.

• A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may
participate on a men’s or women’s team.
• A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to
gender transition may not compete on a women’s team.

You may review the entire NCAA policy by visiting http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf.


Of course, you are objectively wrong.

 

I see that a few liberals skipped biology class in jr. high. There is far more differences between males and females than boobs and balls.

 

Have a separate competition for transgenders, next problem.

 

There should be three separate competition categories.

Men

Women

Chicks with dicks

 

You realize that you are defending lunacy at this point right? I believe the attempted suicide rate amongst transgenders is around 40%. This is not an issue of acceptance, this is an issue of MENTAL ILLNESS and the suicide rate proves it. These people need psychiatric help, not propaganda.

 

Caster Semenya has accused athletics’ governing body of using her body “as a human guinea pig experiment” by forcing her to take medication to control her testosterone levels. The double Olympic 800m champion stepped up her attacks on the International Association of Athletics Federations after the court of arbitration for sport released its 163-page judgment explaining why it decided to rule against her in a landmark case last month.

Semenya is appealing against Cas’s decision, which requires athletes with differences in sexual development (DSD) to take hormone suppressants to lower their testosterone below five nmol/L if they want to compete internationally between 400m to a mile. And she made it quite clear that whatever happens she would never again take medication – something she was forced to do between 2010 and 2015.

I guess even if one is born female, they still had rules to determine if one is female. Or forced a female to take drugs to lower naturally occurring testosterone.

 

Why is it around 40%?
Perhaps because of bigots who want to force them into being somebody they actually aren't?
Like gays were forced once upon a time to become straight sexually?

My guess is that is the reason for 90% or more of those suicides. Don't you think?


What am I defending? Other than the NCAA rules, or Olympic rules, or even High School Athletic rules of each State.
You nor I are qualified in making such determinations.

 

'I'm the one at a 'disadvantage': Trans athlete who won the women's 400m hurdles at the NCAA champion.

He is a punk and a coward.

 

Who predicted that one day a man would wake up and says I'm a woman and it would be considered normal.

While there are exceptions, when things aren't normal we come up with names that identify those things as abnormal. Is a transgender normal? If so, then why the special name?

 

It's what the LW does.

 

Probably not. From an article by John R. Diggs, MD:

"An extensive study in the Netherlands undermines the assumption that homophobia is the cause of increased psychiatric illness among gays and lesbians. The Dutch have been considerably more accepting of same-sex relationships than other Western countries in fact, same-sex couples now have the legal right to marry in the Netherlands.76 So a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with homosexual behavior in the Netherlands means that the psychiatric disease cannot so easily be attributed to social rejection and homophobia.

The Dutch study, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry, did indeed find a high rate of psychiatric disease associated with same-sex sex.77

Compared to controls who had no homosexual experience in the 12 months prior to the interview, males who had any homosexual contact within that time period were much more likely to experience major depression, bipolar disorder, panic disorder, agoraphobia and obsessive compulsive disorder. Females with any homosexual contact within the previous 12 months were more often diagnosed with major depression, social phobia or alcohol dependence. In fact, those with a history of homosexual contact had higher rates of nearly all psychiatric pathologies measured in the study.78 The researchers found "that homosexuality is not only associated with mental health problems during adolescence and early adulthood, as has been suggested, but also in later life."79 Researchers actually fear that methodological features of "the study might underestimate the differences between homosexual and heterosexual people."80

The Dutch researchers concluded, "this study offers evidence that homosexuality is associated with a higher prevalence of psychiatric disorders. The outcomes are in line with findings from earlier studies in which less rigorous designs have been employed."81 The researchers offered no opinion as to whether homosexual behavior causes psychiatric disorders, or whether it is the result of psychiatric disorders."


Some don't like me because I'm an evangelical Christian who believes in traditional marriage, but that doesn't make me suicidal.

 

I don't give two sh*ts what the ncaa policy is there are OBJECTIVE differences between a man and a women. FFS, it's the reason there are mens and womens divisions in the first place. And I don't care what your politics are, the dude that took first place is NOT female!!!

 

There's always an excuse, isn't there? If it's not bigotry, then it's racism. If it's not racism, then it's misogyny. If it's not misogyny, then it's islamophobia. If it's not islamophobia, then it's oppression. If it's not oppression, then it's poverty. if it's not poverty, then it's white supremacy.

I can't believe you. These people have a mental illness, but it's other people's fault when they act like someone with a mental illness.