Independent Kurdistan

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    we are the Guarantee & future of Kurdistan Aviation

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    a group of 7 international students studying to form an Aviation for KRG in Qatar Rudaw magazine reports .

    in an interview with Rudaw magazine they stated that their main purpose is for IKU to allow them to establish a Kurdish international independent Aviation because one main condition for any states for IKU to allow them to operate is to have their own independent Aviation which has experienced pilots and engineers , it has also purchased few airplanes .

    Jamil Ali one of the students said " they were 1st accepted in Doha's pilot college in 11/2008 and he said we wanna prove that Kurds just like any other nations in the world can have skills and capability in every aspect and we can be very dedicated people to our work. he stated that him and his fellow colleagues are very keen on completing their major an bring the degrees back home to serve Kurdistan region".

    he said that KRG is paying for full cost and that they are very thankful for their help and support . Jamil also stated " there has been a lot of fresh interest from Kurdistan wanting to follow our path and said we will support and show them the way which will make it way easier for them " . Jamil told Rudaw that their group is at the front of all the students in the college and that one of them 'Mahamad Ali Osman' came 1st with 98/100 in the whole college last year. Hajar Ahmed who is studying engineering in airplane systems says we "are very grateful for what the KRG has offered us so far".

    its worth mentioning these 7 students will graduate in 16 months and the new applicants are to enroll once they've finished and returned home.

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    RWE to Develop Kurdistan Gas Infrastructure

    http://naturalgasforeurope.com/rwe-t...astructure.htm

    this along side the genocides of "Anfal and Halabja" are enough alone to buy us independence ticket , however the issue of "isolated Kurdish areas" remain to be solve via a referendum between Baghdad and Erbil.
     
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    KRG on its way to eliminate land-lock dilemma ....


     
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    KRG currently has state revenue payback , travel restrictions , independent visas , independent army, own parliament education in mother tongue 3 international own controlled airports own border security and check points own flag and so much more ... i want to know any "federal region" out there somewhere in the world that has these ? Kurdistan IS NOT A FEDERAL REGION! It has all the advantages of Independence, with the revenue sharing and "international law protection" of a federal region! with Iraq.

    we have indeed fooled our enemies alright!
     
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    Bilateral relations discussed between Pres.Barzani and U.S secretary of Defence

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    President Barzani met with US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates yesterday in Erbil to discuss bilateral relations between KRG and the United States and the future of these relations after the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

    Secretary Gates, who was visiting Erbil en route from Baghdad, reiterated the Unites States’ commitment to friendship and a long-term partnership with the Kurdistan Region. Mr. Gates also expressed his admiration and appreciation for the leadership role of President Barzani in government formation talks and in the political process in Iraq.

    President Barzani thanked Secretary Gates for his visit and said that the people of the Kurdistan Region highly appreciate their friendship with the United States, and are grateful for the sacrifices the United States military has made in liberating the peoples of Iraq.
    President Barzani and Secretary Gates also discussed the future of relations between Iraq and the US after the planned withdrawal of US forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. They both underlined the importance of continued cooperation between Iraq and the United States.

    Mr. Gates said that the US government will continue to work with Baghdad and Erbil to resolve the outstanding issues between the Kurdistan Region and Baghdad, which include the holding of a census, implementation of Article-140 of the Iraqi Constitution, new legislation for oil and gas, and funding for peshmerga forces. President Barzani said the security cooperation between the peshmerga forces, the Iraqi army, and the US military is helping maintain peace and security in the disputed areas.

    On the stability and security of Iraq, Secretary Gates said that despite all the challenges, KRG has a promising future and is on the right path to becoming a stable, secure, and prosperous country.
     
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    Kurdistan [land of kurds] as a country through out history


    1.Republic of Ararat

    History:
    the Republic of Ararat or Kurdish Republic of Ararat was a self-proclaimed Kurdish state.
    The Republic of Ararat led by the central committee of Xoybûn party (founded by Kurds and Armenians) declared independence on October 28, 1927 or 1928, during a wave of rebellion among Kurds in southeastern Turkey.

    The Ararat rebellion was led by General Ihsan Nuri Pasha. In October 1927, Kurd Ava or Kurdava, a village near Mount Ararat was designated as the provisional capital of Kurdistan. Xoybûn made appeals to the Great Powers and the League of Nations, and also sent messages to other Kurds in Iraq and Syria to ask for co-operation.

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    2.Kingdom of Kurdistan

    The Kingdom of Kurdistan can refer to two short-lived unrecognized states formed in the 1920s in the geo-cultural region of Kurdistan after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, in the territory officially under the jurisdiction of the British Mandate of Mesopotamia.1921–1924.

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    3. Republic of Kurdistan in the Capital of Mahabad

    The Republic of Mahabad, also called the State of the Republic of
    Kurdistan) is established in eastern Kurdistan on 22 January 1946. It is the third
    contemporary Kurdish state, after the armed resistance against Sex Mahmoud
    Berzence English imperialism and the armed struggle against the imperialist
    states for the Turkish Foundation of Independent Kurdistan Government in
    Kocgiri March 21 of 1921 until 1938 Resistance Army Dersim including the
    Republic of Ararat in Turkey, it marks our tragic history in a historic turning
    point .. Its capital is the Kurdish town of Mahabad in northwestern Iran. Its
    existence is tied to the Soviet-Iranian conflict between the USA and the USSR.1946–1947.

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    4. Defacto state of "Kurdistan Regional Government" or (KRG) established in 1991. this by far has been the longest Kurdish statehood thats is working towards total independence.

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    some racist people that cant stand the word "kurdistan" like its poking them in the eye or its claiming lands from them, i am gonna correct falsified claims as to "has kurdistan existed as a region as well besides been a state through out history?

    the answer is very simple , yes of course , it has existed as both and i am going to back up my claims with solid proof and written all over Google so coming here and trying to deny its existence isn't going to erase history.



    from ancient to recent history.


    Kurdistan as regions

    1. Corduene
    (Armenian: Կորճայք, also known as , Korduene, Korchayk, Gordian, Hebrew: [קרטיגיני ) was Kingdom of Armenia's sixth province, located in nowadays Turkish Kurdistan.

    Corduene's territory was 14,707 km2 (6,000 sq mi) and had 11 cantons:

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    Origins

    According to Arshak Safrastian, the Medes and Scythians mentioned in classical Greek literature existed only as preconceived notions. Equating the Carduchi with the Gutians, he adds that the moment the Ten Thousand began to skirt the lower slopes of the Hamrin Mountains (iraqi kurdistan), they were in contact with the tribes of Gutium which are presented here as Medes or Scythians.





    2. Land of kurds [land of karda]
    these 2 maps prove kurdistan existed as a region not so much as its current name maybe but many countries like turkey iraq Syria didn't have their current names prior to 1923.


    I am going to give some information about Kurds According to a Turkish Sources.

    This map was made Mahmud al-Kashgari in 1074
    Look at the map you can see middle east ( Erdul Ekrad ) in Arabic it says "Land of Kurds"

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    3. Kurdistan region .
    The map of Ottoman Empire was made in 1893 during Abdul Hamid II
    There is Kurdistan If you can read Arabic alphabet There is wide land called "Kurdistan" It means that Kurdistan existed as a name and region before Turkey as a name. it also shows Kerkuk part of Kurdistan which today some turks claim it to belong to a minority of turkmens , the city was originally "built by kurds and was named Arrpkha i myself am from Kerkuk- zadi suburb , but that's another thing not going there.

    Source http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmanlı_İmparatorluğu

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    Rudaw.net 07.02.2011

    Russian Consulate in Erbil "we will recognize Iraqi kurdistan when it declares independence"

    Fakiv Grayv , Russian Consulate in Erbil told Rudaw.net that Russia will recognize Iraqi kurdistan when it declares independence as long as it doesn't claim territories from surrounding states.

    read the article on page 7

    http://issuu.com/rudaw2010/docs/rudaw149
     
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    Massoud Barzani Awarded for Promoting Peace and Religious Tolerance, Rome, Italy. February 23, 2011. Photo KRG


    Kurdistan region 'Iraq', — When Iraqi Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani received the Atlantic Award for Peace from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Parliamentary Assembly (PA) in Rome last month, he took the opportunity to emphasize the Kurds’ right to independence.

    In his acceptance speech for the award – presented by the Italian Atlantic Committee and the Italian Delegation to the NATO PA – Barzani said the Kurds believed in exercising the right to self-determination to create an independent state of their own.

    “In Sudan, people who have long suffered were recently given the opportunity to peacefully and freely choose a new course for their future through the right of self-determination,” he said. “This outcome is reassuring to any who have faced tyranny in the past or fear that they may once again do so in the future. As such, we believe in the exercise of this right.”





     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLRyaD4hnaw&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Massoud Barzani interview on Al-Arabiya PART 1 fast forward to 2:39[/ame]
     
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    north kurdistan region

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    new Kurdish currency under design and testing. called DRAW :D.


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    Kurdistan International and Central Banks - KRG


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    like expected , 29/3 Erdogan Turkish PM arrived in Kurdistan region government, his visit and the warm welcome he received is described as one of the main progress both sides have seen recently.


    Erdogan and Turkey use to look at Kurdistan region with suspicious and use to deal with it sensitively, but with recent political changes in ME and north Africa , now they look at KRG on a higher political level as Kurdish card has been activated in the ME.

    most of the international political observers see kurds on the edge of "Sykes Biko treaty" , looking at the new released statement by a Jewish observer who says "even though turkey doesn't like it , but soon there will be an independence Kurdish state". he also refers to changes of middle east maps.

    recent protests in Syria has worried turkey that it will spread to Iranian kurdistan hence making the Kurdish card even more stronger in the region. and turkey is preparing itself just for this. therefore turkey is trying to fit in before these changes come about so it can deal with the Kurdish card more naturally.

    even though the unrest in ME has reached Kurdistan on a smaller scale and despite this Erdogan visits Kurdistan . KRG is becoming a major economic power in the region , not just in industrial or agricultural but its KRG's massive budget that makes it stand out , which has attracted huge intentional investments , and these factors force turkey not to keep a closed eye on Kurdistan in a way Erdogan described Kurdistan a beautiful region.

    the relation between the 2 sides are very good this doesn't mean they are any short of problems but generally in a political protocol it can be said that the relationship is very fruitful at the moment.

    Wednesday March 30 2011
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    this thread is only related to south/iraqi kurdistan , other parts of kurdistan are yet a bit away from achieving this outcome , but we south kurdistanis have everything ready for independence except a seat in UN.


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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frJ6RPiswyo"]YouTube - KRG kurdish army in kerkuk 1/3/2011 - peshmerga[/ame]
     
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    South Kurdistan is now a semi-state the only reason why it hasn't declared full statehood is:

    1. Self reliance in food which is to complete by 2013 according to KRG's planning ministry in case neighbors decide to land-lock the state.

    2. KRG-Baghdad "isolated/disputed Kurdish areas" which will mark Kurdistan's border with Iraq is currently been worked on by the committee of constitution article 140, mind you Kurdish forces on the 26/2/2011 entered into these "sliced off" areas which were isolated during Saddam's era .

    once these are achieved then KRG will announce its desire to separate like south Sudan did.


    anyone tries to pollute the thread with nonsense will be reported right away!!.
     
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    Kurdistan is investing billions to be self sufficient by 2013

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    in Jan 2009 KRG unveiled its five year strategic development plan for the agricultural sector with the intention of becoming self-sufficient in food production by 2013. this goal demanded a 100% increase in output over the period something which should be achievable given that in 2009 only 1.3 million acres out of a possible 3.8 million were under cultivation.
    "we need $10 billion to implement the plan" says KRG Minister of agriculture and water resources, Jameel Sulaiman Haider."we have been concentrating on grain ,fruit and veges during the 1st two years.Regarding grain we have reached 500,000 tons of wheat and our goal for dairy products".

    there are however plentiful water suppliers in Kurdistan the Minister notes and 30% of funds will be dedicated to irrigation to ensure shortages do not prove an obstacle to future harvests.

    in 2010 the region exceeded its wheat target by 20% but only produced just over half of its 650,000 ton vege needs while fruit and animal production continued to lag. greenhouses of which the Ministry has distributed some 14000 to local farmers looks set to boost output and improve models are scheduled for delivery in 2011. up to 50% of the regions export are expected to be grown under cover in the future.

    Karim suggests that farmers and villagers, who have immigrated to the cities and are now employed by the public sector, should be sent back to their farms and villages and still have their salaries. This can encourage them to work on their farms.

    Hence, if the plan is to be implemented as it is and in time, Kurdistan would shift from importing food to exporting it. And yet, if this is simultaneous with improving production capacity in other sectors such as industry, the region can be a strong economy in the near future and the welfare of its people is expected to rise to a high standard

    http://web.krg.org/uploads/documents...s_2011__01.pdf
     
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    I, hereby declare that at most of the times i would not be commenting on issues related to Kurds (if they dont provoke me)
    my issue is not with Kurds, its with the western imperialists, therefore, have a good discussion here, its just that i have "bigger" fishes to catch ;)
     
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    you can comment as long as its not trolling but a good discussion is always welcomed.
     

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