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OK Gilos, I want to look at two issues which came up with you, that is the claim that the Palestinians started the civil war which resulted in the ethnic cleansing of 3-400,000 Palestinians before the Arab Armies came in. The Arab Armies give the ethnic cleansing of these Palestinians as well as massacres which were going on in Palestine as their reason for coming in. The other issue which you have strongly asserted and myself said no to is that the Palestinians were better armed than the Jews who had no arms because the Brits had taken them from them. One source is The Institute for Palestinian Studies, the other is from the University of California Press using work by Walid Khalidi one of the foremost Palestinian academics on the subject.

OK, as to the initial decision to have a 'civil war' which you put down to the Palestinians initiating this war with which you speak of Jerusalem. The general situation in West Jerusalem at the time

Now if we want to get to the specific point you claimed that is that the Palestinians started fighting immediately after the UN resolution and left the unarmed Zionists with no alternative but to ethnically cleanse these 3-4 hundred thousand Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed before the Arab armies came in. As I said before it is true that the initial incident which was a riot not a terrorist act did indeed come from the Palestinians

http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/40506

So the initial situation was that there was a demonstration which as we so often see in the West escalated into riots and looting in this instance of Jewish owned shops. The article suggests this was spontaneous not planned and that this was responded to by lethal force by the Irgun and Stern gang. On the basis of your statement that the Palestinians started the 'war' by which the Zionists were left with no option but to ethnically cleanse hundreds of thousands of Palestinians I do not accept your position. This was a riot which arose out of a three day strike and protest. That both had militias in Jerusalem though is true.

above link.

It is however obvious even from the above that the Zionists had larger better trained military in the area.

Now if we get down to the kind of weapons they had - this is where you claimed the Palestinians were well armed while the Zionists had nothing - their weapons having been taken by the British according to you- here we move to information provided by Walid Khalidi

This is the introduction. In this he makes the point that out of the two 'wars' the one which was decisive in creating the outcome in 48 was the one engaged in prior to the Arab armies coming in.

http://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/jps-articles/2537835.pdf

that is the introduction. That paper makes copying and pasting almost impossible. However if you refer to it you will see that the Zionists had vastly higher numbers of fighters - being at least 50,000 to the Palestinians ranging between 5-7,500 and of those people who were actually Palestinian ranging from 800 to at one time 2,500 poorly and hastily trained individuals. You will also discover that while the Zionists had plenty of light weapons that is rifles and machine guns and all the ammunition they wanted. Their weapons were good and modern either British or American while they say all the Arabs had were a few thousand rifles of various make 'most of which are antiquated and unfit for modern warfare' with little ammunition. Indeed for some of them no ammunition at all. They apparently only had a few machine guns of the same poor quality as their rifles.

I therefore do not accept your contention that the Palestinians started a war against the Zionists as soon as the UN decision came, that they had good weapons whereas the Zionists had none and that this was the reason for the Zionists massacres and ethnic cleansing of three to four hundred thousand Palestinians before the Arab armies came in - this behaviour being the reason they gave for coming in.

 

On the one hand you brag about how vulnerable the Israelis are but still expect them to give up more of their security?

The arabs have lost many wars to Israel but still pose a threat

Israel can lose only one war and it will cease to exist

 

Posting a link but not posting anything from that link is a violation of Forum policy for a reason.

 

Iran never signed the final agreement. You know it, I know it, Bob Dole knows it, The American People know it.

 

I just read it. Thanks.

What is beyond doubt is that there is no way in hell that hamas will ever be agreeable to anything unless it involves defeating the jews and turning israel over to the muslims.

So, israel cannot reach any kind of settlement with these people. And it seems hamas will not change and the only thing israel can do, is to just kill them. As they want to do to the jews.

That the anti israel people, mostly dems, have to totally ignore the truth involved here allows them to believe in a fantasy of their own creation. For reality is not a place these anti israel people are familiar with.

These people want from israel what is simply impossible and demanding it only shows the idiocy that must be involved. And those in gaza will not divorce themselves from this hamas/muslim ideology. So what is israel to do? Leave israel? That is never gonna happen.

Anyone who supports hamas, and the palestinians who embrace hamas is not hitting on all cylinders. They should join hamas in gaza and help to carry out the charter of hamas.

 

That is because the final agreement got ACTIVATED by the UN Security Council when all parties signed the interim agreement.
You're being a tremendous troll by ranting on that Iran is not part of the UNSC and holding that against them.
You know it, I know it, Bob Dole knows it, the American people know it. Everybody knows it.

 

Iran never signed the final agreement.

Trump is the new King Leonidas with his 300 Spartans stopping the Persians again at Thermopylae.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/05/why_obamas_iran_deal_got_trumped.html

 

Because it's a UNSC resolution, where Iran doesn't get a say in it or gets to sign it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
The JCPOA is part of resolution 2231 voted by every member of the UN Security Council

 

Soon the IDF AF will strike at Iran inside Iran.

The handwriting is on the wall.

 

Soon Iran will defend itself by blowing up the IDF headquarters which -top of my head- is in the center of Tel Aviv, with missiles. Better not be that human shield.

 

The Iran deal was never signed by Iran

 

I did post a line from the link .. you did not notice ?
Read again - Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.

 

How does this make Hamas "Nazi's". Dislike of Jews - because Jews are attacking them and trying to rid the land of Palestinians - does not make the Palestinians "Nazi's".

There is a difference between the blood feud between the Pal's and Israelis and the Third Reich.

 

Read Hamas charter.
Simmilar to the Nazi way.
Read it.

 

Iran is very good at photoshop and at murdering defenseless Arabs in Syria.
Fighting a real army is not their thing.
Last time I checked Israel took Irans top secret nuclear archive without the Iranians knowing about it.
I woulnt wait too much for Iranian missiles on tel aviv. Not going to happen.

 

Israel did not take any top secret nuclear archives - it was fake news

 

If there are similarities you wish to point out - by all means do so. This does not excuse you ignoring the fact that the blood feud between Israel and the Palestinians (where both sides hate each other) is way different than a Nation going after its own people.

This does not change the fact that Jews were not attacking Hitler so there was no legitimate reason for Hitler to hate the Jews.

There is a legitimate reason for the Palestinians to hate the Jews.

When we were attacked by Al Qaeda .. and rounded them up like Hitler rounded up the Jews .. and kill them without regard for international law ... are we acting like Nazi's too ?

 

Good, continue to tell yourself this.
The less prepared Israel foes are and the more they live in fairyland the better for Israel.

 

The Palestians are the "Not You's" of the middle east. The Israelis just got there first.

Palestians could always go back to Jordan.

 

Do you mean that seriously? Can the Palestinians go back to Jordan?

Say, you either did not understand some facts / do not know them ... or you are completely ignorant!

The areas where the Palestinians live were conquered by Israel and the Palestinians were already living there and they still live there ... except those who had fled there because of the war or who were subsequently expelled / forcibly relocated to refugee camps !

It's really crap to conquer areas where people live ... sure ... but then you have a responsibility for these people, and Israel does not even get that responsibility!
Officially, the territories are not their territory even for Israel as they say by their own officially, even if they behave in reality as if these areas are part of Israel.
The fact is that until a few years ago, only the Israeli citizens in those areas would be covered by Israeli law, or their claims could be governed by Israeli law. For the Palestinians, a military tribunal had jurisdiction and the Palestinians had no real legal rights here ... and for sure not the same rights as Jews!
Officially, this is over with the military tribunal, but in reality the Palestinians are still without rights until now as we can see in these illegal "Israeli Terrorist Settlements" ... because against such an illegal settlement on his, demonstrably and according to all laws belonging country, no Palestinian can complain and demand legally by court and with any chance to win that these "Israeli settlers-terrorists" have to leave.

And now you come with this impudent answer, they can leave to Jordan ... nice!

 

Seriously, if you put half as much effort into moving back to Jordan as you do running off at the mouth you'd all be back in lovely Jordan.

 

Seriously ... how to give back the territory to those who are the owner by law of the areas, eh? Will be much lesser effort to leave for the Jews as to depress the population...

 

Correct ... and how about making inspections about Israeli Nuclear Program in reverse ... only a proposal

 

The international community gave those lands to the Israelis and there wasn't anyone living there. The Jordanians showed up once the Israelis started building.

 

There is no one living in your garden so some Jews can live on your garden