Iran, the battle of all Arabs

Wrong, the UN doesn't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization nor does most of the world.
I don't "support" Hezbollah by sending them money but I do favor it over the US & Israeli supported ISIS & Syrian Rebels and favor them in their defensive efforts in repelling Israel's murderous forays into Lebanon.
Without Hezbollah, S. Lebanon would be another starving & demolished disaster zone


"Hezbollah"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

EXCERPT "Hezbollah's status as a legitimate political party, a terrorist group, a resistance movement, or some combination thereof is a contentious issue.[39] The Arab League,[40] United States,[41] France,[42] the Gulf Cooperation Council,[43][44] Canada,[45] Japan,[46] the Netherlands,[47] and Israel[48] have classified Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. The European Union, New Zealand, the United Kingdom,[49] and Australia[50] have proscribed Hezbollah's military wing as a terrorist organization, while making a distinction with Hezbollah's political wing.[51][52] Russia considers Hezbollah a legitimate sociopolitical organization.[53] The People's Republic of China remains neutral, and maintains contacts with Hezbollah.[54]

"Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings – it also boasts an extensive social development program. Hezbollah currently operates at least four hospitals, twelve clinics, twelve schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance program. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members."[126]

According to CNN, "Hezbollah did everything that a government should do, from collecting the garbage to running hospitals and repairing schools."[143] In July 2006, during the war with Israel, when there was no running water in Beirut, Hezbollah was arranging supplies around the city. Lebanese Shiites "see Hezbollah as a political movement and a social service provider as much as it is a militia."[143] Hezbollah also rewards its guerilla members who have been wounded in battle by taking them to Hezbollah-run amusement parks.[144]

Hezbollah is, therefore, deeply embedded in the Lebanese society."CONTINUED

 

No problem.......

 

There are lots of Muslims in Tunisia. What makes you think these people were not Muslims

which as I explained to you only works when you use a literal translation which is what the Wahhabis used and Al Qaeda and ISIS then ever more carelessly and pick and choosingly This is all described in these posts

ttp://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/iran-the-battle-of-all-arabs.519441/page-2#post-1068299597


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...le-of-all-arabs.519441/page-2#post-1068299599

Here is a quote from there

If you approach understanding Islam using the same method as terrorists do then do not be surprised when you come out with the same result as they do which in general is what Western critics do.

If you read this article which I gave quotes from in those posts you will begin to get a place from where to begin which is another reason why terrorists have tended not to be long time practising Muslims - unless of the extremist type.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/sep/28/theislamicreformation

 

Read the Wahhabi Myth..

The whole point of the Wahab reform movement was to rid the Arabian peninsula of Ottoman innovations to Islam and the Turkish garrisons.

 

@alexa Litteral explanation can't be outcast. Furthermore, the ottomans got some blood on their hands too.
Islamic violence isn't a recent problem.
Salafism and litteral explanation tend to be vastly worldwide spread.

 

Nonetheless your approach to Islam is just the same as people who go looking for gory bits in Jewish texts and try to present that as Judaism or someone who takes some of the disgusting bits from the bible and claims they are Christianity or indeed took the actions of some of Burma's Buddhists and claimed that represented Buddhism. It simply would be wrong. Your yourself said that Muslims had said to you what the quotes I give suggest. They have also said it to me. You cannot honestly understand Islam by just reading the texts at the time of Mohamed when society was completely different and they had to fight wars for surviving. When the BBC did a documentary on his life they interviewed the very best Scholars and one of the things which came out was that he sometimes gave harsher punishments than we would like and indeed than he would like because like all people he had to present something which the people would accept. We all belong to our times. Now the nutters who try and take this literally and act like people did in his time, do this because Mohammed apparently said that they best Muslims would be of his time. I will suggest he meant on an internal spiritual level. These idiots however believe they have to imitate the time Mohammed lived and then you find them acting in ways which we gave up a short while ago - France was still cutting off people's heads until 77

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France

Now I do not deny that Muslims have been involved in violence like everyone else throughout the times but I have also read that Traditional Islam in the ME was indeed good at sorting out problems and avoiding this. The problem with you wanting to claim as right that Islam is what you or a terrorist manages to find in the Koran is that it simply isn't true. You can carry on doing that if you want but you wont be telling the truth.

Now if you are talking about Salifism in the West then we can thank our Governments for inviting the Sauds to build Mosques in Europe and the US. At that time certainly in the UK Muslim immigrants, not all of them but a lot were giving up Islam, until this arrived in pleasant meeting places which felt modern where they could meet with others of the same background and get a sense of belonging. So yes, a fair number of Western Muslims got indoctrinated into Salifism. For a while when we were having debates on Islam on UK tv's and BBC was being very diplomatic there would always be Muslims who would say - but the Salafis, we have to talk about the Salifis and it never happened. Yes, they have been brought to the West. Usually they are not violent though. Having said that of course that type of Islam makes it much easier to move to become an extremist which is why I said it is usually people who either had not practised Islam or who had practised the extremist kind - I possibly should have put that more diplomatically because salafism would be included but the majority of them would stay well away from violence and be trying to be more pure than anyone could possibly be. It would however not protect them from extremists religion in the same way that Muslims with a Traditiional or Sufi or some of the other smaller sects would

This also has been going on in the Middle East as the Sauds have been able to spread their message which is usually called Salifism outside the Kingdom. It certainly has an effect and has been able to spread due to global media and so on which is something we have been lumbered with and can only hope will not attract too many. I gave you an article in the first of my double post where Michael Hirsh laments that the US got the wrong idea of what Islam is due to its friendship with the Sauds and that indeed there could be a way of the ME embracing democratic ideals if instead the West were to look instead at Traditional Islam and Sufism and so on. As I mentioned earlier as well a lot of these people, including other smaller sects of Islam have either been killed or are now rejected by the extremists in the ME as not being Muslim.

It is still though far from correct to believe that the extremists are Islam. They have only been around for a short time and in any number only since the Afghan/Russia/US 79 war which happens to also be the time the Iranian Theocracy came into being. In the West the reason they appeared to have appeal was because nothing much else was being offered. British Muslims now see the need to reach out and make themselves a resource to Muslims particularly young ones and especially those of the age you said tended to get attracted to extremism in France.

 

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