Is a Zygote - "A Human" 2 /Mod Warning

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The citation you posted did not even claim a zygote was a human -- never mind explain why
    Why would you post this as supporting your claim .. as it doesn't .. represents the beginning ... why ? because sperm and egg have joined.. .. that is not "The Why" this is not what defines a human in science .. subject matter domain ..Biology -- sub domain Taxonomy. Saying something is a single human cell .is not an explanation of why this single human cell is a human .. but we all know that single human cells are not humans ..

    but .. OK ..if you want to believe this -- fine .. why then do you support killing all these children . hundreds of innocent lives .. dead because of the choice to have a baby...
     
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    Yep it's when a human being begins at creation, at conception. The cites fully explain the why, read them.
     
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    None of your citations gives the why .. which is why you can't produce one that explains why a zygote is a human - hiding in some dance of avoidance for who knows what reason ... but no worries .. we have moved on to the other problem you are desperately trying to avoid ..

    You claim that 200 of these zygote children should be killed -- but also say that we should not kill zygote children.

    Which is it ? .Is it OK to kill these zygote children .. or is it not ?

    I told you mate -- Your position is a contradiction (do notice the rhyme :) ) - a self defeating argument.
     
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    Yes they explictedly give the whys.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where .. you have failed to come upwith "ONE" citation that gives the Why .. and don't seem to know what "The Why" means.

    Regardless - we have moved on from that -- suppose we accept your assertion that the zygote is a human -- a child. Why is it that you favor killing hundreds of these zygote children ? ..

    I told you mate -- Your position is a contradiction (do notice the rhyme :) ) - a self defeating argument.
     
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    The unequivocal science has been reported and the nonsensical questions you ask addressed. When you can refute the science with the science let me know. I gave you the science mate refute it instead of trying to assign you baseless uninformed statements to me.
     
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    You havn't presented any science that expains why your claim is true .. give one citation that has not been refuted .. shown not to support your claim.

    Regardless -- suppose we accept your assertion that the zygote is a human -- a child. Why is it that you favor killing hundreds of these zygote children ? ..

    Your position is a contradiction (do notice the rhyme :) ) - a self defeating argument.
     
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    They all explicitly and unequivically explain the scientific reasons why and prove they are not assertions but facts your nonsensical claims about hundreds of zygotes not with standing.

    When you have science to refute them post it.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you asking me for the science .. you are the one who is making the bold claim that a zygote is a child .. the question to you is why you wish to kill hundreds of these zygote children . oh sorry .. Doom doesn't like the word zygote .. these "innocent children" why do you want to kill hundreds of them for every birth ?

    Thats bad .. as Doom would say -- reducing a person to the level of garbage that you throw away .. tough spot .. crucified.
     
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    When you have the science to refute what I has stated and what I have posted let me know. And I will ask you to stop claiming I "want" to kill innocent children with you nonsensical and fallacious non-sequiturs or I will report to the mods.
     
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    Don't blame me for your belief that a zygote is a innocent child .. do you not realize that a few hundred zygotes are killed during birth process.. Biology 101 - remember -- thats a few hundred innocent children by your definition ..

    Do you deny that you are against abortion ? Do you deny the Zygote is an innocent child ? -- didn't think so.
     
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    Do explain how hundreds of human beings in their zygote stage of life in the olacenta are killed during a birth. Cite the science not you opinion.
     
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    I didn't say anything about a Zygote State .. we are talking about the Zygote .. single human cell at conception .. and its children which go on to form the blastocyst .

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53245/

    So you see mate .. Biology 101 . just like I told you .. The totipotent progeny of the zygote that form the blastocyst ... develop into the placenta .. hundreds of human beings according to 'YOU" .. not to me .. as I do not share your belief that all these hundreds of totipotent zygote offspring .. are "innocent children" like you do.
     
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    Ahhh trophoblasts cells are not Zygotes. Biology 101 mate. Geeezzzzz
     
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    didn't say they were .. but if you knew Biology 101 .. you would realize that the blastocyst is where the zygotes are .. which then goes on to become the placenta .. the takaways was supposed to be "blastocyst" goes on to become placenta..
    No worries though .. we can further your education process - baby steps - since clearly you don't know the basics if you don't know that the totipotent zygote progeny forms the blastocyst .. despite me telling you this repeatedly.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7245522/

    OH BOY Mate .. Mr. Biology 101 .. now we are talking "Science" Oh my goodness mate . all those living humans you want to kill - discarding placenta .. or .. if lucky .. some scientist will get them for stem cell research.

    Why do you wish that all these "innocent Children" be killed ? or have you changed your position now that you have been made aware of the Science.
     
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    And they, the trophoblast cells are not zygotes you don't understand the biology you are posting. The cells are produced by the zygote the aren't THE zygote or A zygote mate they take on a different role.

    Trophoblasts (from Greek to feed: threphein) are cells forming the outer layer of a blastocyst.
     
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    I did not say trophoblasts were zygotes - and it was explained to you in previous post that the point was to show you that the blastocyst goes on to be the placenta .. the blastocyst containing both trophoblats and "totipotent zygotes" the ones you wish to kill.

    Then you were given the Science .. which must have gone over Mr. Biology 101's head as you gave no response

    Then you laughably claim that the zygote cells are not zygotes .. taking on a different role.

    Do explain how the Daughter cells of the zygote are not zygotes .. what capabilities does the zygote have .. that these cells do not have ?

    This should be fun :)
     
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    Yeah you did claiming the trophoblast cells were zygotes and human beings, that is a laughable statement.
     
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    I did not claim either . the blastocyst contains both trophoblast cells and zygote cells. Dude - You are the one who claims a zygote is a human being .. not me. So laugh at yourself and quit projecting your failings onto others/

    Good however Mr. Biology 101 has finally realized that previous claim " Science says a Zygote is a human" is false.

    Now you see that these zygotes you care so much for do not become a human .. they become parts of the placenta.
     
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    A human zygote won’t turn into a puppy so…
     
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    Have you not had this ridiculously fallacious nonsense refuted like -- 10 times already. A human zygote does not turn into a human so ?? -- but even if it did .. that somethign might turn into human -- does not make it a human in the present.
     
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    An extension of the human race so yes, human.
     
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    Do you not understand the difference between the noun and descriptive acjective use of the word human mate?
     
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    Ok let's agree that a zygote or embryo is human. Does that mean it's a person?
     
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    Yes you did and claimed the were also all human beings which is utter nonsense. And the science as posted is quite clear the human Zygote, not trophoblast cells, is a human being from conception.
     
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