Is America Still the Last Best Hope on Earth

I'm thinking somewhat along the same lines. America has always been a work in progress, but as long as this country remained the last crumbling bastion of individual liberty I considered it "the last great hope on Earth". Sadly those days may be over...

 

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You see you say that but dont explain what individual liberties you have that are "better", than in other places inthe western developed world.
I will admit to some reluctance in Hungary and Poland but under EU law they too ensure personal liberties.
So what exactly is better in the USA? Not the squashy général schoolbook définition but which liberties do you have that we don't?

 

Of coursecwe can't be arrested for saying words! And like you, we can say what we like unless it is inciteful. Trump is having issues about this. You can't shout "fire" in a crowded théâtre if there isnt à fire. You can't encourage anyone to commit Treason or to murder.
Just like you.
Of course most European countries have a Bill of rights!
In fact the UK has three...the 12th century Magna Carta, the United Nations Bill of Rights, legal libraries full of rights and proven précédents, I am familiar with the French Bill of Rights 1789 and the modern Constitution of 1958.
The EU itself has à Bill of Rights declared in 2000.
Even Hungary has à Bill of Rights!
Why dont you do some research before you make such misleading posts? Who on earth told you such nonsense?

 

Well you can be arrested for facebook posts in the Uk, that's a fact. You can marry both the dead AND your cousin in France. You can't carry weapons to defend yourself, sadly. No wonder you guys are so jelly of us, we have more liberty than you've had in 200 years.

 

Facebook policy is its own. It has nothing yo do with the state.
Who you can marry tells you nothing about a national firearms policy or its freedoms. In fact those exampes indicate à lot of freedoms.
And none of thischascto do with your assertion that we don't have acbill of rights. You are diverting the conversation when you are proven wrong.
And we have a professional police and security force and no repeated mass shootings of children. Nor do we have half à million gun related incidents a year.
So we must be doing something right.

 

Complete freedom to bear arms, complete freedom to assemble and petition the government, complete freedom of speech and press, freedom beyond the pale to vote (though I do not put that in the good column), freedom against unreasonable seizures and unwarranted searches, right to trial by a jury of peers with a personal defense lawyer, right to a grand jury (though mostly for show these days) for starters. All of these exceed the liberty of other western developed nations, though most by little, and all are being seriously eroded as we speak. We are on the road to individual liberties far below those of the western countries.

 

That had meaning until the past few years when the definition of "incite" got watered down to virtually being meaningless. Nowadays inciteful is whatever the operators of Facebook, Twitter, Google, Amazon servers, the NY Times, the WaPo, and a pile of Democrat leaders, etc. simply say it is. That has nearly morphed "incite" into anything the Republicans or conservatives do or say.

 

American society has turned into this odd woke broken **** hole in all progressive ran states.

No. The path we are currently on is a horrible dead end.

 

Your freedoms are no more complete than other western nations.
You dont have complète freedom to bear arms . The rest is guaranteed in western Europe too.

You know, it would be useful and time saving if you did some research first
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You should come to à legal definition then.
Nothing to do with me.

 

I was waiting for you to reply first, but our First and Second Amendment rights (or liberties) are clearly better than other places in the West (and elsewhere).

Exhibit A:

Hate speech laws by country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country

It's sad how so money countries in the post-Enlightenment West have wandered away from Voltaire's dictums on freedom of expression...

 

Where did you get that idea?

 

From posts in here for a start.
The idea that you can know à country because you work for one of its companies in your own is laughable.
That there are kings with power, no rights or bills of rights, no freedoms of speech.
And orher fairytales. A bit like describing Alice's Wonderland or Narnia.
Having lived in three, I reckon it takes at least five years to start to know it. And à lifetime to fully know it. NEVER if you don't speak the language.
But sim0le facts about constitutions or laws are easily researched
. It just takes some humility.

 

What do you mean "better
They mean the same things but in a different word order.
How do you think they are better? And better than whose?

 

I have lived in 4 including one in "old Europe." I think I could make a good life in Europe. The Europeans are good at quality of life. I was raised in an authoritarian, dictatorial country and would never want to go back to that. All in all, I'm sticking with the U.S.A. It is imperfect but still ahead of whatever is in second place.

 

In what way do you think the USA is "ahead of others"?
I would say width of opportunity by still putting into practice the more liberal core ideology of taking chances and looking for productive change.
However the hugely increased sharpness of dissent and importance of extremist views erases most of that IMO.

 

Here you go.

(2) The Newsroom - America is not the greatest country in the world anymore...(Restricted language) - YouTube

 

the fact that marrying your cousin, dead at that, is a legal thing says a lot about what’s important to the French. I’m not sure I’d be really proud of that, but you do you. I’ll just be proud we’re smart enough not to give our personal security over to the gov!
That’s just a really bad call, but you’re committed to it that’s no doubt.

your police services are pedantic at best, as Hebdo made abundantly clear. You still have as much crime and deaths as anyone else, you’ve only picked one type of death to ride that fulfills the need to be smug for no reason. You know, French!

 

It's minor, but it seems you are behind the times with "liberal". Liberal in America is not the same as it was in America a few decades ago or in much of Europe today. While liberal is an elusive term, today in America it mostly does not mean taking chances and looking for productive change.

 

Wealth and power.

I have no idea what that means. Sorry.

 

The US is what it is for many, many reasons including...geographically protected by two oceans and two friendly countries; moderate climate and agricultural practices that make it the breadbasket of the world; leadership in technology and innovation; best specialty schools and universities; the least dys-functional financial system/currency [which isn't saying very much over the past 50 years]; a growing population; and last, but not least, a military always at the ready to impose its will on anybody refusing to acquiesce.

Most importantly, the power of the individual American emanates from a source higher than government [granted by the US Constitution]. It is this enduring belief in God that supersedes all man-made institutions and is the true genius in the documents crafted by the Founding Fathers. This is why the Left will go down in flames just like all other attempts to impose the ideas of one man on another. If it doesn't pass muster with the Big guy, it's not going to endure [regardless of your religious beliefs].

 

No it doesn't no matter what you believe.

 

This is what other faith based States say.
Like Iran, Iraq, the Middle East in général, and Israël .
You don't believe they are right.
What makes you think you are God's own country?

 

Liberal is still the opposite of conservative by definition.
What it means politically is not the same thing but labels require capital letter.