Is Baphomet an esoteric representation of Jesus Christ?

Nathan-D · May 18, 2024

Been fascinated by this possibility for years and found a handful of people that think the idea could also hold some truth. Could Baphomet and Jesus be one and the same?

Not to say that Jesus is bad, but that Baphomet represents duality, spiritual enlightenment, and inner alchemy, in a similar vein to Jesus.

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https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2023/05/24/is-baphomet-an-esoteric-representation-of-jesus-christ/

Baphomet is a symbol that has generated intrigue and controversy throughout history. It’s associated with occultism, mystery traditions, and the Knights Templar. While its origins and meanings are subject to interpretation, some individuals have proposed intriguing parallels between Baphomet and Christ. A notable parallel lie in their association with duality. Baphomet’s depicted as androgynous in nature and represents the equilibration of opposites and the integration of masculine and feminine energies. Christ is likewise depicted (especially in paintings) as androgynous and in ancient text is sometimes described as a merging of the male and the female. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes the text as saying that Christ and Mary were originally a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite. Describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders. Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet. Some propose that the name “Jesus Christ” could represent the merging of two distinct entities or names into one. This idea is bolstered by the identification of “Jesus” as an ancient name for Isis, referred to as “Esus” in hieroglyphic inscriptions, and “Christ” as a name historically associated with Osiris (see the book ‘Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection’). Within this framework, Isis and Osiris serve as possible precursors for the Biblical figures Mary and Christ.

This union or merging of Mary and Christ into a hermaphrodite like Baphomet represent twin souls becoming one and the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. The Philosopher’s Stone represents the alchemical process of inner transformation, leading to the ultimate goal of Divine Union. Divine Union refers to a spiritual state of unity and connection with the divine or higher consciousness. In essence, it refers to the coming together of twin souls, similar to how Christ merges with Mary or how Osiris merges with Isis. According to Manly Palmer Hall, in his book ‘Initiates of the Flame’, the “marriage of the Sun and Moon” represents the accomplishment of the Philosopher’s Stone. For the ancient Egyptians, the Moon represented Isis and the Sun represented Osiris and their union created Horus who was the fusion of both his parents and a divine hermaphrodite. In his book ‘Gods Wear Spandex’, Chris Knowles says: “The Chemical Wedding referred to the work of the alchemists, who sought to marry the masculine and feminine properties of creation and produce the Royal Hermaphrodite, which some historians have linked to Harpocrates (Younger Horus)”. In the ancient mysteries, the ultimate aim of the philosophers was not to transform lead chemically into gold, but transform man and woman into the divine hermaphrodite, merging the opposites; the male and the female. This is ultimately what Baphomet represents. It represents the idea that true spiritual enlightenment and wholeness come from embracing and integrating both the masculine and feminine aspects of creation. This union of opposites is seen as a path to spiritual balance and ultimate transcendence. This integration of the male and female is also represented by Rebis, which is a 15th-century figure used to symbolize the Magnum Opus or Great Work.

The connections between Christ and Baphomet are not widely recognized or agreed upon, but esoteric interpretations have been proposed. For example, in his book ‘Baphomet of Éliphas Lévi’, Abraxas Aletheia argues that Baphomet is an esoteric symbol of Christ, saying: “Contrary to popular belief, Baphomet is an image of an esoteric Jesus Christ created from a composite of alchemical, Kabbalistic and Christian symbols”. One such connection symbolically between Baphomet and Christ can be found in Baphomet’s caducous which matches the Christogram which is a monogram or combination of letters that forms an abbreviation for Christ’s name. One of Baphomet’s most recognizable symbols is the pentagram emblazoned on its forehead. The pentagram is commonly associated with Christ. In Christian tradition, the pentagram is seen as a symbolic connection to the five wounds of Christ. In certain esoteric traditions, the pentagram has been linked to the planet Venus, called the Morning Star or the Evening Star, depending on its appearance in the sky. This is of relevance, because Christ describes himself as the bright Morning Star in the Book of Revelation (22:16). One of the earliest connections between Baphomet and Christ can be found in the mythology surrounding the Knights Templar, a medieval Christian military order. Some have suggested that the Baphomet head that the Knights Templars venerated was the head of Christ. In her book ‘The Templars: The Secret History Revealed’, Barbara Frale says: “The last point raised in the indictment against the Templars concerned the secret veneration of an idol in the shape of a bearded head. There is clear evidence of the existence of image of Christ in the religious life of the order, as well as a mysterious cult devoted to the Sacred Blood”. Frale’s essentially suggesting that the Baphomet head was that of Christ. This same idea was the subject of the book ‘The Head of God: The Lost Treasure of the Templars’, by Keith Laidler.
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Death · May 18, 2024

There are a plethora of human Gods sent to earth to save us, punish us. Its a story formula that is far from original and so of course there are parallels in all these stories or myths.

Why stop at Jesus. Move on to Superman.

DennisTate · Jun 1, 2024

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Death said: ↑

There are a plethora of human Gods sent to earth to save us, punish us. Its a story formula that is far from original and so of course there are parallels in all these stories or myths.

Why stop at Jesus. Move on to Superman.
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My guess is that Baphomet is one of the children or grandchildren of "Azazel" who is mentioned in Leviticus chapter sixteen....

in the original Hebrew......

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 16&version=RSV

6 “And Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. 7 Then he shall take the two goats, and set them before the Lord at the door of the tent of meeting; 8 and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Aza′zel. 9 And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; 10 but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza′zel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza′zel.

11 “Aaron shall present the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house; he shall kill the bull as a sin offering for himself. 12 And he shall take a censer full of coals of fire from the altar before the Lord, and two handfuls of sweet incense beaten small; and he shall bring it within the veil 13 and put the incense on the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat which is upon the testimony, lest he die; 14 and he shall take some of the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it with his finger on the front of the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat he shall sprinkle the blood with his finger seven times.

DennisTate · Jun 1, 2024

I lean heavily toward the Eventual Universal Salvation even of "Azazel" and the vast majority of his children and grandchildren.......

HaShem - YHWH - The G-d of Abraham...... the Being of Light of near death experience fame.....

would NEVER PLAY A PRACTICAL JOKE ON AZAZEL.......

by putting his name into the Book of Leviticus without an extremely good and positive reason to do this!?????

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

ENCOURAGEMENT AND TESHUVA

When a person enters into service of Hashem and sees it is so hard for him, and it seems as if they are distancing him from above and not allowing him at all to enter, he should know that all this feeling of being “distanced” is truthfully only his being “drawn near”. He must remain very very strong not to be discouraged even if many years of hard work go by and he still feels that he is very far and that he didn’t even begin to enter into the gates of holiness, for he sees that he is full of materialism, evil thoughts and the like, and every time he tries to do something holy it is so hard for him and all his crying and pleading with God seems to be going to waste… On all this he needs great courage not to pay attention to these delusions at all. Because all this “distancing”, in truth, is only his “drawing near”, and all the great tzaddikim had to go through this kind of experience before they reached their level. (LM2 4

You need to have great stubbornness in the service of Hashem (ibid)

And know! A person has to pass a very very narrow bridge, the main thing is to have no fear at all (ibid)

There is no despair in the world! (LM2 7

If you believe that you can destroy, believe you can fix. (LM2 112)

You need to greatly encourage yourself in His service as much as you can, even if you are the way you are, you should rely on His abundantly great mercy which is beyond limit, for certainly he will not forsake you, no matter how badly you’ve acted. The past doesn’t exist. The main thing is that from now on you honestly resolve not to do it again. (LM2 49)

This is a great principal in Avodas Hashem – That a person has to begin everyday anew. (LM 261)

When a person falls from his level he should know that it’s heaven-sent, because going down is needed in order to go up, therefore he fell, in order that he arouses himself more to come close to Hashem. Advice for him - Begin anew to enter into service of Hashem as if you have never yet even begun (Ibid)

Whenever a person rises from one level to the next, it necessitates that he first has a descent before the ascent. Because the purpose of any descent is always in order to ascend. (LM 22)

There is a lot to talk about here (in the above topic). Because each person who fell to the place where he fell thinks that these words weren’t spoken for him, for he imagines that these ideas are only for great people who are always climbing from one level to the next. But truthfully, you should know and believe, that all these words were also said concerning the smallest of the small and the worst of the worst, for Hashem is forever good to all. (Ibid as quoted in LE)

It is a great thing for a person to still have an evil inclination because then he is able to serve Hashem with the evil inclination itself. That is, to take all of the fire in his heart and channel it towards service of Hashem. For example, to pray with fiery passion of the heart, etc. For, if there is no evil inclination in a person his service cannot be complete. (LM2 49)

A person must know that “Gods glory fills the entire world” (Isiah 6), and “There is no place void of Him” (Tikunei Zohar), and “He fills all worlds and surrounds all worlds” (Zohar)… even in the most defiled places there is godliness, for He gives life to everything as it says, “And you give life to everything” (Nechemia 9). So even if a person is stuck in the lowest of places he cannot excuse himself and say “I cannot serve Hashem here because of all the thickness and materialism that attacks me always,” for even there you can find Him and cling to Him and do complete teshuva, “For it is not far from you” (devarim 30), only that in this place there are many garments.”(LM 33)

This is the Tikun Haklali, the complete fixing. Whoever destroys his sexual impulse, it will be easy for him to get rid of his other evil desires. For all other impulses stem from this one. (LM 36)

Anyone who wants to enter into the service of Hashem, the only way possible is to be like Avraham who considered himself to be the only one in the world. That is, he should not pay attention to anyone who is preventing him from coming close to Hashem, whether it be his father, mother, in-laws, wife, children, etc. or anyone else in the world who mocks him and tries to prevent him from serving Hashem. He should not pay attention to them at all, rather he should follow the verse “Avraham was one” (Yichezkel 32) As if he is the only one in the world. (LM2 inserted after intro)

“Even when people are serving Idolatry, nevertheless, deep down, they are all submissive to G-d and serving Him, only it is taking place in a greatly concealed realm.” (LM 56)

“There are two concealments. When Hashem is hidden in one concealment it is certainly very hard to find Him, but nevertheless, since it is only one concealment a person is able to exert himself and to dig until he finds Him, for at least he knows that Hashem is hidden. However, when Hashem is hidden in a concealment within a concealment, that is, the concealment itself is hidden from the person, in other words, he has no idea that Hashem is hidden from him, then it is completely impossible to find Him, for he doesn’t even know that Hashem is hidden.” (LM 56)

“But truthfully, even in all the concealments, even in the concealment within a concealment, certainly even there Hashem is enclothed. For certainly there is absolutely nothing that doesn’t contain in it the life-force of Hashem, for without His life-force it would not have any existence at all. Therefore, certainly, in all things, all deeds, and all thoughts, Hashem is, so to speak, enclothed within. Even if, G-d forbid, a person sins and does something against the will of Hashem, nevertheless, there is certainly the life-force of Hashem within that thing, only it is greatly concealed and constricted. (LM 56)

“You should know. The torah which is enclothed within the concealment within a concealment is a very high torah; the secrets of the torah. Since it needs to enclothe itself in these low places, by those who have sinned a lot until Hashem became concealed from them in a concealment within a concealment, Hashem decided not to place there simple torah, in order that the evil should not be able to draw strength from there too much, which will cause much defect. Therefore He concealed and enclothed within there specifically very high torah, the secrets of torah, which is Hashems Torah itself. This is as it says with regards to Egypt (Shemot 12) “I will pass through the land of Egypt, I and not an angel, I and not a messenger, I, Hashem and no other.” For in the land of Egypt, the place of much evil, specifically there, Hashem himself is hidden and enclothed, that is, Hashems Torah itself, the secrets of Torah. Therefore specifically in the concealment within a concealment, even though one cannot find Hashem, his knowledge and belief alone that Hashem is hidden there, turns the concealment around into a great revelation and the secrets of torah are revealed.” (LM 56)

TEHILLIM

Someone who wants to merit to do teshuva (repentance) should make it a practice to say tehillim (LM2 73)

A person should find himself within the words of tehillim (LM2 125) Tehillim was written with Divine Inspiration and includes within it each individual’s personal struggle, whatever he may be going through at any given time.

(Explanation of above from Hishtaqpchut Hanefesh 1)

MIKVEH

Immersion in a mikveh redeems a person from all hardships, and purifies from all impurities and from all sins, for the mikveh draws down extremely lofty awareness and supernal kindness and compassion. (LM 56)
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Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

Been fascinated by this possibility for years and found a handful of people that think the idea could also hold some truth. Could Baphomet and Jesus be one and the same?

Not to say that Jesus is bad, but that Baphomet represents duality, spiritual enlightenment, and inner alchemy, in a similar vein to Jesus.

Quote that discusses this (20% of 100%):

https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2023/05/24/is-baphomet-an-esoteric-representation-of-jesus-christ/
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No this thing that we call baphomet is really the sabbatic goat and it's very old occult stuff. The connection to the name and the sabbatic goat was created in the 19th century. I'm not even sure if it was a deity it was a representation of an idea that actually nights Templar were accused of worshiping back in 1307 but in reality that was really just a fabrication to justify killing off the knights Templar.

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

Polydectes said: ↑

No this thing that we call baphomet is really the sabbatic goat and it's very old occult stuff. The connection to the name and the sabbatic goat was created in the 19th century. I'm not even sure if it was a deity it was a representation of an idea that actually nights Templar were accused of worshiping back in 1307 but in reality that was really just a fabrication to justify killing off the knights Templar.
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Baphoment is said by Levi to be the Goat of Mendes which was the soul of Osiris (a dying-and-rising god similar to Jesus). Quote from article: https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/20...ing-of-osiris-and-isis-into-a-unified-entity/

In his 1887 book ‘The Gnostics and Their Remains’, Charles King connects Baphomet to Osiris, saying: “Interesting above the rest for the part it played in medieval superstition is the Osiris, or old man, with radiated head, a terminal figure always shown in front face with arms crossed on the breast; the true Baphomet of the Templars”. Meanwhile, Éliphas Lévi equated Baphomet with the “Goat of Mendes” which was believed to be “Banebdjedet” who was the soul of Osiris. According to the article ‘The Baphomet’, Brain Pitkin says: “Lévi incorrectly identified Baphomet as the Goat of Mendes, an ancient Egyptian deity whose name should more properly be translated as: Harpocrates, the Ram of Mendes”. Harpocrates was Horus in child-form and Horus was the reborn Osiris. In ancient Egypt the word “Ba” (the first syllable of Baphomet) refers to the Soul of Osiris. Meanwhile (also in Egypt) the ending syllable of Baphomet (as “mwt” or “met”) refers to Isis as the “Great Mother”. Meanwhile, Baphomet’s middle syllable is “pho” which could be short for “Phoenix”. The word Phoenix was adopted into Latin as “Phoenix”. Roman authors like Ovid and Pliny the Elder used it in their writings. In his 1913 book ‘The Religion of Ancient Egypt’, Archibald Henry Sayce says: “The Phoenix was allied to the hawk of Horus, and probably was originally identical with that primitive symbol of the soul”. Hence, Baphomet’s full name may be a combination of Isis, Osiris, and Horus. The Trinity. Ahmed Osman says: “The Trinity of Osiris, Isis and Horus, became a focal point for the emerging Christian Gnostic sects — those Christians who sought to gain spiritual knowledge through mysteries”. In his book ‘The Shining Ones’, Philip Gardiner says: “The Trinity of Isis, Osiris and Horus is linked with the Knights Templar and the figure of John the Baptist”. In his book ‘Gods Wear Spandex’, Chris Knowles says: “The Chemical Wedding referred to the work of the alchemists, who sought to marry the masculine and feminine properties of creation and produce the Royal Hermaphrodite, which some historians have linked to Harpocrates (Younger Horus)”. In ancient Egyptian mythology — the goddess Isis revived Osiris by using her magical powers and knowledge. When Osiris was murdered and dismembered by his brother Seth, Isis collected and reassembled his body parts. She then used her incantations and the help of other deities to breathe life back into Osiris, allowing him to be resurrected. The idea that Osiris and Isis merge to form a single entity (Horus) is a common idea. For example, famous poet Robert Musil wrote ‘Isis and Osiris’ which presents a hermaphroditic theme. This theme captivated Musil and is evident throughout his diaries and prose, most notably in his seminal work ‘Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften’. In ‘Isis and Osiris’ the theme manifests as the union of two individuals into one being.

In his book ‘Magic and Theory in Practice’, 20th-century occultist Aleister Crowley equates Baphomet with “Horus come to full growth”. Crowley also equated Baphomet with Harpocrates (see the book ‘The Commentaries of AL’). Crowley claims in ‘The Book of Thoth’ that: “There is no doubt that this mysterious figure [Baphomet] is a magical image of this same idea [embodied in figures like the Fool and Harpocrates]”. For Crowley — Horus is the cosmological force that brings order to primordial Chaos, and he alone has the power to reconcile the opposing forces of the universe. To the Egyptians, Horus (also known as Harpocrates) was the son of Isis and Osiris, but some sources imply that Horus was not the son of Isis and Osiris, but rather a product of them fusing as one into a hermaphrodite alchemically like Rebis. Some suggest that Horus is merely Osiris reborn, as suggested here. The 19th-century occultist Helena Blavatsky said in her book ‘The Secret Doctrine’: “Osiris is interchangeable with Isis — and Horus is of both sexes”. Osiris and Isis are assumed by some researchers to be interchangeable with Adam and Eve. The Baphomet sigil created by a French occultist in the 19th-century includes two names in Hebrew that surround the outer edges of each of the pentagrams. The front side has the name “Leviathan” with “Samael” and “Lilith” with a downward pentagram and the other side has “Christ” with “Adam” and “Eve” with an upright pentagram. In various Gnostic cosmologies, Samael’s role as a source of evil became identified with the Demiurge, the creator of the material world and Lilith in Mesopotamian religion is an evil demon that may be a demonic counterpart to Isis. In Mesopotamian myth, Lilith is essentially the alter-ego of Inanna (Isis) in the Huluppu Tree story. In Hebrew mythology — Leviathan is mentioned in the Bible, particularly in the book of Job and in Psalms. It’s described as a sea monster or a massive creature that embodies chaos and represents the forces of evil and destruction. In Jewish tradition, Leviathan is associated with the primordial sea and is seen as a symbol of God’s power and the ultimate defeat of evil. According to the Ophites, Leviathan is Ouroboros, separating the divine realm from humanity by enveloping or permeating the material world.

Saturn’s prime symbol is the Ouroboros (see the book ‘The Ending of The Words: Magical Philosophy of Aleister Crowley’) which is a serpent that encircles creation, like Leviathan encircles the world. Horus (the reborn Osiris) has a connection with Saturn. To the ancient Egyptians, Saturn was known as “Horus, the Bull of Heaven”. In his article ‘Elements of Gnostic Concepts in Depictions on Magical Gems’, Grażyna Bąkowska-Czerner says: “Harpocrates [Horus] was a very popular deity in the Greco-Roman period, and worshipped mainly in Alexandria. Numerous depictions of the god can be found around the whole Roman Empire, where he was equated with Apollo, Helios, Heracles, Eros, and sometimes also with Cronus [Saturn]”. Saturn (or the earlier Greek incarnation of Chronos) is an arcane analog of Satan. Crowley corresponded Lévi’s Baphomet with Satan in his various works, as discussed here. The number 666, which is usually associated with Satan, has a close association with Saturn, which strengthens this connection. The Chaldean number system of the ancient Indian, Mazdean, and Egyptian for Saturn is 666. The Saturn Square also equates to 666 when calculated horizontally and vertically. In his books, Crowley recounted a time where he saw a statue of Horus in a museum, and attached to the top was the exhibit number 666. In his 1884 book ‘The Popular Faith Unveiled’, Herbert Junius Hardwicke says: “Like the Egyptians, the Persians worshipped the god-light, born in the December constellation, when the virgin rose above the horizon, and glorified in the sign of the lamb at the vernal equinox; but instead of calling him Horus, they called him Mithra”. This is of relevance, because Crowley deciphered the name of Baphomet to mean “Father Mithras”. The god Quetzalcoatl has also been associated with Horus, but to make matters complicated, there are two of these same beings, one being the Quetzalcoatl “Mental” aspect (the upright pentagram) and the other being the Quetzalcoatl “Astral” aspect (the downward pentagram). Notice that there are also two versions of Baphomet, one with an upright pentagram and one with a downward pentagram. In ancient hieroglyphs, the star Sirius is associated with the upright pentagram and has links to both Isis and Osiris. Meanwhile, the downward pentagram has links to Samael and Lilith which make up Leviathan (Samael and Lilith are also associated with Osiris and Isis, but appear to be an altered demonic version of them).
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Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

Baphoment is said by Levi to be the Goat of Mendes which was the soul of Osiris (a dying-and-rising god similar to Jesus). Quote from article: https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/20...ing-of-osiris-and-isis-into-a-unified-entity/
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A God that dies and rises or is reborn or has no conformity to life and death it's pretty common among all gods. I would argue eternal life or undying is the primary thing that makes a god a god.

This artifact was never specific even 2000 years ago. Look into Zoroastrianism the parallels to Jesus and God are much more similar.

I think it's more of the effect death has on humans. And our need to find meaning. An eternal or death proof god gives people an infinite reference point for meaning. So Resurrection or immortality is probably a defining characteristic for gods

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

Baphoment is said by Levi to be the Goat of Mendes which was the soul of Osiris (a dying-and-rising god similar to Jesus). Quote from article: https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/20...ing-of-osiris-and-isis-into-a-unified-entity/
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The sabbatic goat isn't really a goat. It is all things. It has a goat head and goat legs but human arms and torso and it also has breasts but is said to be male also. It represents a balance of life.

It was determined to be your representation of the devil and 1307 when the knights Templar were accused of worshiping it.

This was a time for reclamation of the Christian world after the Islamic occupation. So anything non Christian was viewed as satanic.

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

Polydectes said: ↑

A God that dies and rises or is reborn or has no conformity to life and death it's pretty common among all gods. I would argue eternal life or undying is the primary thing that makes a god a god.
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Osiris and Horus share many characteristics with Jesus apart from just rising from the dead. There are entire books dedicated to this, such as from Dorothy Milne Murdock.

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

The sabbatic goat isn't really a goat
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I am not saying it is an actual goat. It represents the merging of male and female, like Isis merges with Osiris, or how in some material Mary merges with Christ. They merge alchemically as one to create a divine being, similar to Rebis.

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

Osiris and Horus share many characteristics with Jesus apart from just rising from the dead. There are entire books dedicated to this, such as from Dorothy Milne Murdock.
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I don't need a book gods are gods because they exemplify the best in us. Who wants to realize the point of this whole thing and it's too given in front of reference point to meaning is really quite predictable

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

I am not saying it is an actual goat. It represents the merging of male and female, like Isis merges with Osiris, or how in some material Mary merges with Christ. They merge alchemically as one to create a divine being, similar to Rebis.
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Mary never merged with Christ.

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

Polydectes said: ↑

Mary never merged with Christ.
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You would have to look into the occult sources for this. Leah De Vun has some good papers on this. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes the text as saying that Christ and Mary were originally a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite. Describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders. Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet.

https://www.academia.edu/7973114/Le...pe_Journal_of_the_History_of_Ideas_69_2_2008_

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

Consider also what Jesus says about male and female becoming one in various texts.

This concept is found in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus says:

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate".

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

You would have to look into the occult sources for this.
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Sure but within Christianity they never merged.

Leah De Vun has some good papers on this. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes the text as saying that Christ and Mary were originally a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite. Describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders. Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet.

https://www.academia.edu/7973114/Le...pe_Journal_of_the_History_of_Ideas_69_2_2008_
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It's am interesting conception but outside of Christian tradition.

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

Nathan-D said: ↑

Consider also what Jesus says about male and female becoming one in various texts.

This concept is found in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus says:

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate".
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That means they are bound spiritually not physically. The one flesh refers to the offspring they produce

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

Polydectes said: ↑

That means they are bound spiritually not physically. The one flesh refers to the offspring they produce
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It means their souls merge as one I think, which how I interpret it, but it could also be physically, not sure. This is what the Great Work is all about, merging the female and male as one. As Lévi said: “The two sexes will be one, according to the word of Christ — the great androgyne will be created, humanity will be woman and man”.

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

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It means their souls merge as one I think, which how I interpret it, but it could also be physically, not sure.
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Definitely not physically. One can be in one place and the other in a different place.

This is what the Great Work is all about, merging the female and male as one. As Lévi said: “The two sexes will be one, according to the word of Christ — the great androgyne will be created, humanity will be woman and man”.
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Absence of a third sex indicates humanity is woman and man. That's obvious.

Nathan-D · Jun 2, 2024

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Definitely not physically. One can be in one place and the other in a different place.
Absence of a third sex indicates humanity is woman and man. That's obvious.
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*rolls eyes*

Polydectes · Jun 2, 2024

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*rolls eyes*
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Why this response I thought we were having an interesting discussion

Nathan-D · Jun 3, 2024

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Why this response I thought we were having an interesting discussion
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Because Levi was referring to the "great androgyne" when he said that humanity will be "woman and man" which is Baphomet or even Horus. He means that humanity will merge, two souls become one. The opposites, male and female, merge. This is why Baphomet is half-male and half-female. It is a merging of the male and female.

Polydectes · Jun 3, 2024

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Because Levi was referring to the "great androgyne" when he said that humanity will be "woman and man" which is Baphomet or even Horus. He means that humanity will merge, two souls become one. The opposites, male and female, merge. This is why Baphomet is half-male and half-female. It is a merging of the male and female.
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I guess I don't understand. This all seems quite rudimentary and obvious. Yeah humanity must merge to procreate.

Nathan-D · Jun 3, 2024

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I guess I don't understand. This all seems quite rudimentary and obvious. Yeah humanity must merge to procreate.
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It is more profound than a man and woman creating a child, it is the merging of two persons into one. In Kabbalah circles, Adam was originally an androgynous being they called Adam Kadmon, consisting of male and female (half Adam and half Eve) but was fractured into opposites during The Fall. ‘Adam’ being representative of humanity as a whole — we were all fractured. In the Gnostic and Hermetic school of thought — the goal of human existence is to merge these opposites (the female and male) back into one androgynous being to form an Adam Kadmon.

Polydectes · Jun 3, 2024

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It is more profound than a man and woman creating a child, it is the merging of two persons into one.
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I guess I don't understand how is that not making a child?

In Kabbalah circles, Adam was originally an androgynous being they called Adam Kadmon, consisting of male and female (half Adam and half Eve) but was fractured into opposites during The Fall. ‘Adam’ being representative of humanity as a whole — we were all fractured. In the Gnostic and Hermetic school of thought — the goal of human existence is to merge these opposites (the female and male) back into one androgynous being to form an Adam Kadmon.
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I'm sorry but most of this seems like a metaphor or two people getting together to procreate.

yardmeat · Jun 3, 2024

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Osiris and Horus share many characteristics with Jesus apart from just rising from the dead. There are entire books dedicated to this, such as from Dorothy Milne Murdock.
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Many of the comparisons, however, are complete BS and based on stuff that was made up in the 1800s. Rising from the dead? Sure. There are lots of examples of that. Being the son of a god? Also common. But that's about it.

Back to your topic, though. I do find it interesting that only two figures in the Bible are called Lucifer (morning star/Venus), and one is Jesus. Early Gnostics also frequently associated Jesus with the serpent.

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