Is Baphomet an esoteric representation of Jesus Christ?

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  1. Nathan-D

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    Been fascinated by this possibility for years and found a handful of people that think the idea could also hold some truth. Could Baphomet and Jesus be one and the same?

    Not to say that Jesus is bad, but that Baphomet represents duality, spiritual enlightenment, and inner alchemy, in a similar vein to Jesus.

    Quote that discusses this (20% of 100%):

    https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/2023/05/24/is-baphomet-an-esoteric-representation-of-jesus-christ/

     
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    There are a plethora of human Gods sent to earth to save us, punish us. Its a story formula that is far from original and so of course there are parallels in all these stories or myths.

    Why stop at Jesus. Move on to Superman.
     
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    ....

    Oops.....

    I hit Edit one time too many on this one....


    My guess is that Baphomet is one of the children or grandchildren of "Azazel" who is mentioned in Leviticus chapter sixteen....

    in the original Hebrew......

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 16&version=RSV


    6 “And Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. 7 Then he shall take the two goats, and set them before the Lord at the door of the tent of meeting; 8 and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Aza′zel. 9 And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; 10 but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza′zel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza′zel.

    11 “Aaron shall present the bull as a sin offering for himself, and shall make atonement for himself and for his house; he shall kill the bull as a sin offering for himself. 12 And he shall take a censer full of coals of fire from the altar before the Lord, and two handfuls of sweet incense beaten small; and he shall bring it within the veil 13 and put the incense on the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat which is upon the testimony, lest he die; 14 and he shall take some of the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it with his finger on the front of the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat he shall sprinkle the blood with his finger seven times.
     
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    I lean heavily toward the Eventual Universal Salvation even of "Azazel" and the vast majority of his children and grandchildren.......

    HaShem - YHWH - The G-d of Abraham...... the Being of Light of near death experience fame.....

    would NEVER PLAY A PRACTICAL JOKE ON AZAZEL.......


    by putting his name into the Book of Leviticus without an extremely good and positive reason to do this!?????

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

     
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    No this thing that we call baphomet is really the sabbatic goat and it's very old occult stuff. The connection to the name and the sabbatic goat was created in the 19th century. I'm not even sure if it was a deity it was a representation of an idea that actually nights Templar were accused of worshiping back in 1307 but in reality that was really just a fabrication to justify killing off the knights Templar.
     
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    Baphoment is said by Levi to be the Goat of Mendes which was the soul of Osiris (a dying-and-rising god similar to Jesus). Quote from article: https://chipstero7.wordpress.com/20...ing-of-osiris-and-isis-into-a-unified-entity/

     
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    A God that dies and rises or is reborn or has no conformity to life and death it's pretty common among all gods. I would argue eternal life or undying is the primary thing that makes a god a god.

    This artifact was never specific even 2000 years ago. Look into Zoroastrianism the parallels to Jesus and God are much more similar.

    I think it's more of the effect death has on humans. And our need to find meaning. An eternal or death proof god gives people an infinite reference point for meaning. So Resurrection or immortality is probably a defining characteristic for gods
     
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    The sabbatic goat isn't really a goat. It is all things. It has a goat head and goat legs but human arms and torso and it also has breasts but is said to be male also. It represents a balance of life.

    It was determined to be your representation of the devil and 1307 when the knights Templar were accused of worshiping it.

    This was a time for reclamation of the Christian world after the Islamic occupation. So anything non Christian was viewed as satanic.
     
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    Osiris and Horus share many characteristics with Jesus apart from just rising from the dead. There are entire books dedicated to this, such as from Dorothy Milne Murdock.
     
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    I am not saying it is an actual goat. It represents the merging of male and female, like Isis merges with Osiris, or how in some material Mary merges with Christ. They merge alchemically as one to create a divine being, similar to Rebis.
     
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    I don't need a book gods are gods because they exemplify the best in us. Who wants to realize the point of this whole thing and it's too given in front of reference point to meaning is really quite predictable
     
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    Mary never merged with Christ.
     
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    You would have to look into the occult sources for this. Leah De Vun has some good papers on this. Drawing from the insights of the 15th-century book ‘Book of the Holy Treaty’, historian Leah De Vun describes the text as saying that Christ and Mary were originally a unified entity — an alchemical hermaphrodite. Describing the text — De Vun characterizes Christ as the “ultimate hermaphrodite, a unity of contrary parts, the human and the divine, the male and the female”. This idea of Christ as a hermaphrodite finds support in the writings of early Christian theologian Hippolytus, who, like the Ophites, considered Christ to be of dual genders. Artistic representations of Christ, such as the painting “The Lamentation around the remains of Christ”, underscore this idea, showing Christ with female breasts akin to Baphomet.

    https://www.academia.edu/7973114/Le...pe_Journal_of_the_History_of_Ideas_69_2_2008_
     
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    Consider also what Jesus says about male and female becoming one in various texts.

    This concept is found in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus says:

    "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate".
     
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    Sure but within Christianity they never merged.
    It's am interesting conception but outside of Christian tradition.
     
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    That means they are bound spiritually not physically. The one flesh refers to the offspring they produce
     
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    It means their souls merge as one I think, which how I interpret it, but it could also be physically, not sure. This is what the Great Work is all about, merging the female and male as one. As Lévi said: “The two sexes will be one, according to the word of Christ — the great androgyne will be created, humanity will be woman and man”.
     
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    Definitely not physically. One can be in one place and the other in a different place.
    Absence of a third sex indicates humanity is woman and man. That's obvious.
     
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    *rolls eyes*
     
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    Why this response I thought we were having an interesting discussion
     
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    Because Levi was referring to the "great androgyne" when he said that humanity will be "woman and man" which is Baphomet or even Horus. He means that humanity will merge, two souls become one. The opposites, male and female, merge. This is why Baphomet is half-male and half-female. It is a merging of the male and female.
     
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    I guess I don't understand. This all seems quite rudimentary and obvious. Yeah humanity must merge to procreate.
     
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    It is more profound than a man and woman creating a child, it is the merging of two persons into one. In Kabbalah circles, Adam was originally an androgynous being they called Adam Kadmon, consisting of male and female (half Adam and half Eve) but was fractured into opposites during The Fall. ‘Adam’ being representative of humanity as a whole — we were all fractured. In the Gnostic and Hermetic school of thought — the goal of human existence is to merge these opposites (the female and male) back into one androgynous being to form an Adam Kadmon.
     
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    I guess I don't understand how is that not making a child?
    I'm sorry but most of this seems like a metaphor or two people getting together to procreate.
     
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    Many of the comparisons, however, are complete BS and based on stuff that was made up in the 1800s. Rising from the dead? Sure. There are lots of examples of that. Being the son of a god? Also common. But that's about it.

    Back to your topic, though. I do find it interesting that only two figures in the Bible are called Lucifer (morning star/Venus), and one is Jesus. Early Gnostics also frequently associated Jesus with the serpent.
     

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