Is healthcare a "right?"

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  1. ArchStanton

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    Have you studied the 10th Amendment?

    Or seen our national debt?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes to both.

    You have chosen to not answer my question it seems. I think I know why.
     
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    Fun stuff here. The "facts" seem to be transient for you. The "facts" are that folks must maintain additional insurance to cover them when their socialist service fails them. Of course that's a "choice", but it also is a necessity. For you, that might be sufficient.....
     
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    I'm sorry that the facts shatter your ideology, but that doesn't make them go away. Single payer healthcare systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost of our system.
     
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    Agreed.

    This should be decided state by state. People keep comparing healthcare to fire and police, but who provides those services?
     
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    Absolutely NOT.Rights are inherited By the Grace of God creating Man
    in his image.Is there a right in the United States to have Food on the
    table.That would be a duty or obligation of a Parent or Breadwinner.
    Therefore the strict enforcement of Child Support laws.
    Does a patient have a right to make sure he is cured when being
    treated by a doctor.In most cases but not all cases.A doctor can't
    treat alcoholism like a cut or operation.That requires complete
    cooperation on the one seeking treatment.
    Our Founders did create a biding Constitution with a Bill of Rights.
    No where is there mention of Healthcare as a right.
    For good reason.Because what one person may consider
    health or healthy may not another.
    Meaning it's TOO subjective.As in one's like of music.Or food.
    Our Founders,like God,believed in the ability of Mankind to be
    Free to Chose.But also guided by a Republic that is strong,secure
    and out of harm's way.
    I doubt one entering a Monastery or Monastic life,is all jumping up
    and down wondering about what sort of health coverage they
    are entitled.
    lest of which being allowed to have life sized posters of their
    favorite musicians in their cloistered dorm room.
    My Advice ... :
    Be For Real !!!
     
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    I believe healthcare is a right
     
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    That is true. The individual states provide those services. But every state does it. I would be fine with states having some say in how healthcare is provided as long as it is provided to everyone regardless of ability to pay
     
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    Every one of those is provided by the state, not the fed.
     
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    As long as every state provides universal care.....I am fine with the state doing it.

    But they all have to do it
     
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    Well, good thing because the comment wasn't an "ideology", it was a simple observation. You know, a recognition of fact. Now, I can see why that interferes with your ideology and commentary. I always become skeptical of folks who use qualifiers like "better care" without defining what about that care is better. Usually, it's a mask for a use of "better" to describe universal, and no actual quality aspect is expected. Which, again, also underpins the idea that "cost of the system" can be lower. Why wouldn't a lower quality service cost less to provide?
     
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    Hey DR, look at it this way: if the military industrial complex and its war profiteers can benefit from socialism, why can't the people also enjoy the benefits of socialism?
     
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    I believe getting laid is a right. And the government should pay for it.
     
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    I didn't offer ideology. I provided a demonstrable fact of reality. Single payer systems provide better care at a fraction of the cost.
    So you don't understand what the word better means?
     
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    I don’t think when something is a right it’s the Govts job to provide it.
     
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    Well, that was easy to disprove...
     
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    Now that fully 1/2 of physicians are contemplating dropping Medicare patients, how will be be better? How can single payer provide health care at a fraction of the cost unless you dictate what providers and companies provide? Government would still need to provide labor to handle all the claims and provide facilities to house all these government workers while putting a lot of people out of work.
     
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    I agree that public healthcare and public hospitals should try to be as cost-effective as possible and that market forces should be used along with universal healthcare. 1 of out 3 young Americans aren't religious, and our society is far more secular than its highly religious roots in the 1700s. Advanced nations tend to be more scientific and secular and don't base their whole society on faith.
     
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    If you want better care have you considered looking for a new doctor?
     
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    Healthcare is a need, just like food, water, shelter, etc. Democrats want to control every aspect of your life in the hopes that you will be a reliable vote to keep them in power!
     
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    We don't have single payer here. Once implemented, costs will decrease dramatically.
    it cuts out the profit motive, and overhead.
    why would they need to provide any of that?
     
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    no idea what this has to do with single payer providing better care at a fraction of the cost of our system?
     
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    You said you wanted better care...have you considered shopping?
     
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    No one is going to work for free, that is a pipe dream. If you think government will cost less you are only fooling yourself. Government will still need to provide the overhead plus government inefficiency will quickly eat up the health care insurance providers low profit margin of between 3% and 4%.
     
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