Is healthcare a "right?"

Good point. However, you are aware that a large number of private doctors refuse to take Medicaid patients. Many Medicare patients have difficulty finding a primary doctor as well. I point this out to show that government health care is not popular in the health industry. Shoving a bunch of people into programs like Medicaid is of little help if the doctors will not see them.

 

When I had a medical emergency the MTs said they would take me to the nearest hospital unless I wanted to go elsewhere, which was about 20 minutes farther. So I'd say you're both right in your own way.

 

umm no. Those socialist morons can piss off.

 

Public education is an example of a service the government must provide for you free at point of service.

It's a right

 

That's because if you Google "cost of healthcare in the US" you get a total of insurance premium costs plus the operating expenses of ERs.

Don't try to slip that crap by us. Treatment at an ER isn't "healthcare".

At the ER where they stabilize you and then send you off to find a doctor on your own. That isn't "healthcare".

That's because of the "conservative" right wanting to hobble and cripple any government service so they can declare it a failure and then privatize it to please their rich pals. Study after study has found that what you say is not true of the USPS, Medicare, or Social Security, which are three of the largest government operations we have.

I always love it when righties make up stories to blame their own deeds on the Dems. REPUBLICANS CALLED IT "OBAMACARE" UNTIL OBAMA SAID HE LIKED THE NAME.

News flash rightie, you WILL call it whatever you want in the end.

A person who makes a fuss over a simple, honest name lacks a real argument.

Nope. That has been shown to be of little influence on the cost. The real drivers are insurance company overhead including some of the highest CEO pay of all industries, profit, advertising costs, and legal departments looking for ways around regulations. Other major drivers are our fee-for-service system and the fraud it produces, out-of-control drug company pricing and profits, and medical equipment market abuse. There are others.

Do you really want to shop along with foreigners who have untreated contagious diseases?

 

If the only payment is from the government.....they will take it

 

Which amendment says food is a right? You have a right to pursue happiness, and if food does it for you, have at it. Note, that you do not have a right to actually be happy. Taxpayers are not obligated to provide that to you. There is not a single right in the Constitution that requires taxpayers to give you things. Every single right is a prohibition against government taking something away.

The bottom line is that if we flip the concept of rights on its head and make it something government must provide to you, that means someone else is having things taken away by government. If I am a farmer and think my corn is worth $75/bushel, can a government agent force me to sell it for $5 to satisfy your right to have food? Likewise, if I am an MD and charge $750 per consultation, can the government force me to provide that service for $25 because you have a right to free healthcare?

 

Owning a weapon falls under property rights, which is an extension of the right to life. It is a negative right.

Healthcare is also a negative right- you have a right to purchase it of you wish. You may also utilize insurance. Howwver, once you require others to pay or provide it becomes a positive right and is not legitimate.

 

Yes the government can do that

 

The government provides many positive rights

 

If you're a doctor you shouldn't be that easily confused.

 

Where is that written? It is certainly a convention that we have adopted, although it becomes less "free" every year as they find new and creative ways to add fees that are often, technically illegal. It certainly was never a right at our founding. Rights are not left to the states to fund. If it were a right, any state could cease education funding and sue the Fed because their rights were violated and force 100% of the cost onto the Fed.

 

LOL. If you were a doctor, you might be able to form an argument.

 

It was formed by a scotus decision. Some rights have just developed over time. They must come from government but it can be state or federal

 

Then I guess you're happy with the status quo, where the rich get it all, and the rest of us compete for the left over scraps. OK. Your choice.

 

What decision was that? Can I sue the government if my child fails to graduate from HS for poor grades? Seems like her rights were violated.

 

Healthcare is as much of a right as we decide it is

 

It's called FAPE. I forget the case. But every child in America is entitled to a free and appropriate education. If your kid failed because they did not receive an appropriate education you can sue

 

You are confused.

The government provides no positive rights. The government coerces other citizens to provide positive rights.

 

not true...I have universal healthcare, all the MDs are my choice...

everyone waits for healthcare, everyone!...there's a myth that MDs sit around doing nothing waiting for you to arrive, no matter who you are or where you live you wait your turn to see the MD(other than life and death situation)...universal healthcare shares the wait time, we all wait the same regardless how wealthy you are...

 

The government provides many positive rights

 

No. You don't understand that wealth is created. I understand the low-brow idea that wealth is somehow a fixed and finite measurement, which is why morons like Marx, Lenin, and every other socialist/communist tries to argue from that basic flawed premise.

Once you realize that wealth is not some fixed quantity, then your world will open up, and you'll see guys who have more than you are simply creating wealth, and maybe you might even be inspired to create some for yourself. Until then, you'll see it as just some fixed amount that is not created, but rather rains down like manna from the heavens, and who knows why, but let's all share it equally because that's only fair.

You live in an economic dream which can only be rectified by a real understanding of how economics work. Until then, you're just some kid throwing a tantrum in the candy aisle because you just don't understand why you can't get a snickers bar, when mom gets to spend all that communal money on stupid stuff like broccoli and beans.

 

Name 4.

 

Public education
Fire service
Police service
A lawyer if you can not afford one

 

I will give you #4, but no to the other 3. Not rights. Show me in the Constitution.